The new rolling ILX parenting thread, since the other one was getting unwieldy

i didnt get it but my mom claims she did when she was pregnant with me (but not with my brother). she describes it as feeling like the world just flipped over. a head rush kind of thing where you lose your balance and think youre going to pass out but then everything rights itself.

however, here in the US (as far as i can tell) it just refers to the baby moving which still feels pretty freakin weird.

hmm. . .I'm being a paranoid betty. At home awaits Zantac and a pregnancy test. One or the other should hopefully sovle the weird feeling I've been having the past couple of days.

Quickening is the moment you first feel the baby move, as far as I know?

It was like:

one day, in your head or to partner 'oh, that might have been baby! Or not. Could have been gas. But it might have been!'
a couple of days later 'oh, maybe that was it!'
a coule more days later 'maybe that was, or maybe not, I can't tell!'
a couple of weeks later 'ok, that definitely was the baby!'

It's really weird. You're totally on the look out for it, but at first it is very like gas turning over in your stomach, so it's easy to miss, until you know what you're looking out for.

Apparently you notice it much more with subsequent pregnancies, because you know what to look out for. When it starts can depend on a whole lot of things, like where the placenta is, whether you're sitting quietly or if you're on the go all the time. (you don't notice movement as much if you're always on the go)

I was 90% sure that I felt squirrel first at 18 weeks. It felt like brushes sweeping the top of my bump. I'd probably felt things before but put it down to gas. Chris felt squirrel kick for the first time when I was 21 weeks.

Yeah, that seems pretty far along. I've seemed to gain a lot of weight lately and have felt/looked bloated but even if I was surprise pregnant I'd think I'd be bigger.

The past couple of days I've been feeling sporadic fluttering near the top of stomach, under the sternum. No other adominbal distress normally associated with gas, etc. though.

Mrs O is back at work. We're not quite sure if it'll work out as there are three babies competing for two grans but so far (2 whole days!) it's working out okay.

Megan is crawling around and saying jajaja (which occasionally becomes Dada) and boooo/poooo. She's had to adopt two different crawling techniques as we have carpets upstairs (proper crawling) and wooden flooring (sniping coz it's slidy and fun) downstairs. Time to child proof the house again - I mentioned this to Mrs O and said something about Megan being able to grab my DVDs and video games and ended up mumbling an "oh yes, that too" on the whole falling down stairs thing.

She's had a couple of teeth for a while but doesn't seem to keen on growing any more of them.

I associate quickening with cutting an Immortal's head off so I'm not much use to Ms Mis here.

sam, either way its not something you feel until well into pregnancy.

i wouldnt have even realized beeps was moving if pp's mom hadnt casually mentioned that the first baby moves are just like little tap tap taps. i was expecting to be booted HARD. of course, that came later.

sam, how would you feel about being preggers?

pics please omino

why do you all get so much maternity leave. i was back to work after 6 weeks.

In the end, I would be pleased to be pregnant. It's in our future, not our present, but I'm sure we'd deal after the inital shock.

I will post pics later, when I get home.

why do you all get so much maternity leave. i was back to work after 6 weeks.

We've been on one wage for a few months. I think Mrs O got 6 months maternity pay (which was much less than her salary, obv) then the rest was unpaid.

Even though it's been ages, I remember that weird fluttery "what-was-that?!?" moment when I first felt my daughter move - it was around the 16 week mark. I was being very still and quiet, and there was a frantic butterfly feeling in my gut that bowled me over. I don't remember the same thing with my son, but I was less likely to have any still, quiet times then.

Because we have a good welfare state. The statutory minimum is:

you are legally entitled to take up to 12 months off. You get the first 6 weeks at 90% pay, then for the rest of 9 months you get about £112 a week, and if you want to take the last three months it's unpaid. (it used to be 6 months, but it changed to 9 months statutory maternity pay after 1st April)

Some people have very generous employers. I get 6 months on full pay, then I'll get the £112 a week for the next three months.

We are very lucky compared to the US. I think Canada have similarly mum friendly policies.

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BABY DATA DUMP! Lytton has just been weaned - zero hassle, likes every food we've given him, seems to want stronger and stronger flavours, adapted to spoons with ease - he doesn't like water though and has no patience with beakers.

He's sitting up for a few seconds at a time but not raising himself - trying to crawl but not managing it, good at wriggling/rolling round playpen until he encounters an interesting toy, though. Huge caws of excitement and satisfaction when "THAT'S NOT MY ROBOT" appears - bigger books annoy him. No longer putting stuff in his mouth as soon as he sees it. Huge big-eyed interest in the outdoors.

Sleep time remains stubbornly fixed at 9-10pm, sometimes later. Two teeth, one seemingly coming (judging by drool and howls) but can't work out where. Totally recognises his name and will look around for source - ignores "Hello", sometimes answers to "Gibbon" or "Sausage" (am trying to phase these endearments out). Definite mirror stage action going on. Shy with other people for about an hour then very playful (just as other babies are getting tired!). That's it! I love this thread by the way and reading about all your kids, I just never have anything specific to say.

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One year sounds very nice but how does a company justify paying someone on maternity leave for even 6 months? i mean, you dont need six months off. seems kind of excessive.

I guess it's all part of recognising that if companies don't have mum friendly policies then they're going to lose key staff. Also that my company used to be part of the civil service, which historically has always been ridiculously generous to staff.

Childcare in the uk is incredibly expensive, particularly for very young children, and often oversubscribed, it often puts women off going back to work. I'm on a ttc/mums board that has an international mix of women, and it sounds like some US moms really struggle going back to work as early as they have to.

Yeah it sounds like you've become well-acclimated to the US Sunny! We only get 6 weeks which I think is probably too little.

I think that six weeks seems like way too little. I really want to be able to stay home for a couple of years when my kids are young but am terrified that we won't be able to afford for me to do so. If we wait until we can afford it, I'll be ancient before we can realistically contemplate having kids. Hopefully we'll be back in the UK when we have or first so I'll be able to take more time off. Maternity leave here in the States is a joke.

6 weeks is plenty of time for you to be physically ok to work (im assuming retail and or office situations here). I probably could have gone back in a week. As for the kiddo, its good to bond but Id think the earlier you socialize them the better. I get scared thinking of beeps believing we're her whole world.

6 weeks felt too soon after my first, so I stayed home (w/o pay) for 8 months. I ended up with some agoraphobia made worse by our living situation at the time (trailer park, no car, scary neighborhood), so returning to work would have been better for me. I leapt back to work at the 6 week mark after my son was born, which was better all around for us. The situation varies so much - I had a better support network as a working mom than as a stay-at-home mom, but it's different for everyone.

Tom, apparently most babies get their teeth in the same order although the timing can be hugely variable. So, bottom two middle ones first, then top two middle, then the rest.

My six months maternity leave is now up! (I was a bit early to qualify for the nine months boo.) My employer is reasonably generous but I certainly can't afford to take the option of further unpaid leave - and Matt would kill me anyway. He can't wait to share looking after Alice. NO WAY was I ready to go back after 6 weeks, but I guess if that had been my expectation all along I would have been...

J. went back to work at 6 weeks, but the daycare was next door to her workplace, so she walked over a couple of times a day to visit & de-stress. A perfect situation.

As for the kiddo, its good to bond but Id think the earlier you socialize them the better. I get scared thinking of beeps believing we're her whole world.

This was pretty much our thinking as well. What really scares me is people who have kids for emotionally needy reasons. For a while, the kids are going to be like, "oh shit, these people are my whole world!" And then suddenly one day they're going to be like "oh shit, these people aren't my whole world, but they made me think they were!" (/rant)

so its your fault shes independent enough to go off to london with out mom and dad!

what are signs of teething? beeps has started drooling like a faucet and shoving everything in her mouth to suck/chew on. and shes lost interest in pacifiers. it has to be her hand or a towel (bib/receiving cloth/shirt/blanket/towel) or toy. shes only 3 months though.

I think I read once that Napoleon already had two teeth when he was born.

womb biter

"you may see his first white cap (usually one of the bottom middle teeth) as early as 3 months"

uh oh

OMG! SCHWANTZ! we just bought the same exersaucer that one of your twinzies is in upthread! i looked all over the internet the other night for help with an assembly problem and found nothing. maybe you can help? the very bottom leg pedestals, the ones that attach the base with the spring, are supposed to snap back into place when turned. ours dont SNAP but they do return to their original position very very slowly. did yours do the same? im scared to keep assembling and find out i did it wrong and have to undo everything.

we also got the rainforest bouncer but shes not big enough for it yet.

does the rainforest bouncer send them up into the treetop canopy???

@Sunny: Yeah, I think that behavior is ok. It's just a friction thing, right?

Ben LOVES that thing. We call it his office. We had to replace the little bear-on-a-stick (Anger Bear!) attachment cuz he tries to eat it and it's sharp.
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We got this instead:
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(not a picture of Ben in that photo)

oooh! attachments! i havent even taken the toys out of the bag yet.

thanks so much for the help!

does the rainforest bouncer send them up into the treetop canopy???

sort of, yes!

why do you all get so much maternity leave. i was back to work after 6 weeks.

what the hell is maternity leave? i didn't really take any. didn't really want to. i preferred being in teh shop over being at home alone (with the baby).

here you get three months (if you are an employer). you can also ask for breastfeeding and/or parental leave. the latter can only be postponed, the former can be denied by the employer.

sam, the one thing i should have noticed, when being pregnant (the first time), was the sensitivity in my nipples. it was very weird but my nipples were so sensitive (for a day or maybe more). the second time i was just very hungry for a couple of days. no bloated feeling though. well, not due to pregnancy anyway, maybe due to excessive eating.

in regard to babies and socializing: this is certainly not necessary before twelve months. children can only socialize from around 18months (according to my therapist). that said, ophelia loves being around children, she walks up to'em and strokes'em. very funny.

the fluttering? now, the second time, i was so scared that i didn't feel it. but i did, i was just thinking it would be clearer (or rather that i would be tell much better). i think this baby is quieter than ophelia though. ophelia was very active.

let us know if you are pregnant! (i tried to read the posts but might have missed if you mentioned if you were.)

Hello all. Just wanted to say that we have gotten our travel date, and that we will be able to meet our new daughter M0lly on July 7. OMG so excited and nervous and stuff.

If I get crazy later I will post the only picture I have of her.

Haha, not pregnant so far! The test I had at home had actually expired in May, which although not too far gone made my a little skeptical. I'll probably pick up another one. It's doubtful I'm accidently pregnant but the way I take my bc (skipping periods) I often get a little worried and take a test.

I worry about it b/c of my psychiatric pills b/c they weaken the effect of the birth control. Twice I've had to move to a stronger bc pill. Also I worry about being pregnant for weeks and weeks without knowing and hurting the baby with all those pills I shouldn't take while pregnant. :(

Just paranoid I'm sure. However if this weird fluttering feeling doesn't stop soon I will have to go to the doctor. It's annoying the crap out of me.

Sam,you take anti-depressants, right? Well, apparently they prescribe this to pregnant women who suffer from migraine attacks. Secondly, I wouldn't worry too much about the first few weeks. It doesn't harm the baby at that stage. (So doctors told me.)

The fluttering feel I haven't experienced in the first week at all. I mean, the foetus is certainly not big enough to flutter.

Get a blood test, it'll solve those feelings. :-)

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Checking out zee Japanese books in Ebisu.

She's such a cutie. Is she learning any Japanese?

The two pills I take, Lithium and Lamictal, have not been cleared for pregnancy but are not strictly forbidden either. Not enough known. It will have to be something I decide with my doctor ahead of time. Both my pysch and obgyn have said making decisions about my meds will have to be something we all discuss before I get pregnant. So I'd prefer not to have it be by accident. Also I like to booze it up on the weekend and would like to stop this beforehand.

If it were up to my mom, she'd already be enrolled in a Japanese language school. In the space of a week, she has already learned to bow and say (konnichi) "wa" (though not consistently of course). Kinda freaky really. It's amazing how much she has changed this week. I wonder if it's the fact I am here with her on holiday.

I worry so much as well about my pregnancy, but I do realize and know that the first weeks are not that harmful. Heck, my gran was a pregnant alcoholic and my dad's relatively good. ;-) Seriously, have a blood test and start *prepping* now. This way you will freak out less about booze and pills. :-)

Also I worry about being pregnant for weeks and weeks without knowing and hurting the baby with all those pills I shouldn't take while pregnant. :(

I was 6 weeks' pregnant when I found out I was, and the week before, I'd been drinking and smoking pot and doing all kinds of horrible things, and he's just fiiiine.

Beeps is holding her head up like a champ:

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Also a champ at being cuet:

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Aw, looks just like her daddy.

I forgot I promised photos on Wednesday.

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Howie can't quite hold his head up lying on his front (he does try, and usually ends up getting frustrated and crying). However, he can roll onto his side (and frequently practises at night when he's supposed to be sleeping). I am sure one morning we will wake up, find him lying on his front, and panic. I think it's OK for them to sleep on front or side once they can roll, though.

In other news, after two weeks of terrible night wakings there's been some changes around these parts. Firstly we went and bought him a big cot as he was looking all squashed in the crib. It has a drop-down side so much easier to get him in and out without major back damage (just as well as he's now over 15lb). Secondly, daytime naps are now in the cot (in fact he's there right now) unless we're out and about with the pram. And thirdly, no more breastfeeding to sleep and putting in cot asleep. Now he goes in the cot awake - something I thought would NEVER happen. I do use a dummy to settle him (which I said I'd never do, but it works a treat) but whip it out before he falls asleep.

Re: maternity leave, before I had H I thought I would return to work after the 6 months' paid leave, but I'm going to take the full year and maybe even longer if we can manage on one income. Absolutely no disrespect to mums who go back to work much sooner, but personally, I don't want to work just to cover the cost of childcare so someone else can bring up my baby. (The industry I work in has zero provision for creches or anything, plus very long hours.) So we are looking at a year or so of poverty, but then we don't seem to be spending much money at the moment as we're not going to pubs or restaurants or anything.

Aw she is so gorgeous onimo! Has she got you a birthday present or just teh gift of CUTENESS?

And Beeps looks so beautiful and wise already :)

Meg, I feel just the same - after the ridiculous childcare costs we'd be almost as poor anyway AND we wouldn't have our precious time with Alice. In our case though we're both working part time and making up one income out of two half incomes. If anyone stayed at home full time it would logically be Matt as he works in a very poorly paid sector, but I know I couldn't handle working full time yet.

My birthday's not till tomorrow. I'm hoping for a present but teh CUTENESS will do :)

We've managed to get through Mrs O's first week back at work (part time, 3 days) without any problems. Hopefully it stays that way. We're lucky we have willing grandparents or we'd probably struggle with childcare.

Mrs O is out boozing tonight so I am being stay at home Dad for the night. I got Megan to bed by 7.20pm and the boys are peacefully watching a dvd before bed. It won't last...

All these cute cute babeeez!!!! Awwwwww... Need to cuddle one.

Ours was once a small cute cute baby. No more. ;D

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they rope stonehenge off now? tell me that red hair is natural.

omino, megan's eyes are incredible. i wish they were mine.

beeps started rolling on to her side two days ago and did her first full roll from back to stomach this afternoon. i was excited but also felt pretty bad since she had been making what i thought were pre-nap fussy noises/cries in her crib for about 5 minutes when i decided to check on her. there was poor beeps face first into the crib mattress. when i turned her over her face was all red and her eyes said "NOT HAPPY, MOM". she did another roll on the change table tonight.

The red hair is natural. The frizzy, uncontrollable curls, sadly, also natural. Both my fault, genetically. Sorry, Kiddo.

When the Kiddo was a wee pup, she used to sleep on her tummy in the corner of the baby bed, with her head wedged as far as she could get it in the corner. No matter where on the bed you put her down, or how, she'd eventually get in that position.

I honestly worried that she was going to suffocate herself, so whenever I found her like that, I'd move her back to the middle of the bed. Inevitably she'd get right back in that corner. She's been a strong-willed pup from the get-go.

Sometimes you just have to let them do what they want. I blame her dad. He sleeps on his stomach a lot, too, albeit not with his head in a corner. ;D

My hair is all crazy curls and frizz too. I straighten the bejesus out of it every day. When beeps came out with curls the first thing i said was 'OH NO!' but it seems to have straightened out since. I still flatten it down after every bath.

Yeah, I figure with a round head its hard to suffocate on a flat surface. Whenever I think those things, or get worked up by all the fear people instill in new mothers, I just remind myself of all the billions of children that somehow made it though childhood.