That image just makes me think of those terrible crying eagle pick-up truck decals from 2002-2003
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 21 December 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
I know this has been said a thousand times today, but killing police is never, ever okay. The reaction of law enforcement in NY to this helps nothing, though.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 21 December 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
jesus, i just read that quote from patrick lynch. i'd like to think that there are some NYC cops who are decent enough to be embarrassed or outraged by this asshole who claims to speak in their name.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 December 2014 07:23 (nine years ago) link
Xp and yet you can bet that nobody will commence to digging through these two officers' service records to determine if, hey, maybe they were bad people and deserved it somehow.
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Monday, 22 December 2014 14:42 (nine years ago) link
I'm sure you'll find a minute somewhere
― local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, 22 December 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
where's that shit with the statistic about cops dying on the job vs. roofers/foresters/cab-driversI just saw it the other day
― I can just, like, YOLO with Uber (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 December 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
http://www.premierhandling.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/most-dangerous-jobs.jpg
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Monday, 22 December 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link
... much of which can be accounted for by the fact that cops drive a lot
― I can just, like, YOLO with Uber (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 December 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
The Officer Down Memorial Page lists the following causes of death for officers in the line of duty this year. Don't know how complete or up to date it is.
Assault: 2Automobile accident: 25Drowned: 1Fire: 1Gunfire: 46Gunfire (Accidental): 2Heart attack: 15Motorcycle accident: 3Struck by vehicle: 3Vehicle pursuit: 5Vehicular assault: 10
Read more: http://www.odmp.org/search/year/2014#ixzz3Mduh6Nxu
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Monday, 22 December 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
BTW this has made national news now, but I first saw it last week in Cleveland SCENE, the alt-weekly.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/12/volunteer_cop_resigns_after_his_racist_youtube_comments_are_exposed.html
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Monday, 22 December 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
lol @ De Blasio calling for an immediate suspension of protests - everything's even-steven now eh
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:06 (nine years ago) link
Patrick Lynch is indistinguishable from every predecessor of his; no cop ever did anything wrong, they bray.
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 December 2014 22:16 (nine years ago) link
blaming these cop murders on the protests is pretty gross
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
one convenient insane person
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 December 2014 22:26 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:06 (23 minutes ago)
this doesnt really have anything to do with what de blasio is saying
― Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Monday, 22 December 2014 22:34 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxJSBU2KgnI
Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday called for protesters to suspend demonstrations in the aftermath of the killing of two New York police officers, who were gunned down in Brooklyn as they sat in their patrol car.
“It’s time for everyone to put aside political debates, put aside protests, put aside all of the things that we will talk about in due time,” Mr. de Blasio said in a speech. “That can be for another day.”
I was referring to this lede in the NYT
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
The obvious purpose of that is to protect protesters from vengeful cops.
― Treeship, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:48 (nine years ago) link
“That can be for another day.”
it's always another day somewhere, de blasio
― ♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Monday, 22 December 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
^^^
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
feel like vengeful cops won't have any problem identifying people to vent their rage on if they're so inclined. hasn't really been a problem, historically speaking.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:52 (nine years ago) link
as some twitterer sez:Isn't it instructive that there is talk of 'placating' a police force, as if they were less civil servants, and more an angry tribe?
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:46 (1 minute ago)
and i was referring to your low functioning sarcasm, whatever one thinks of his suggestion of collective pause in order to respect dead public servants, it is not identical to a curtailment of protest as such, nor does it intimate that critics of criminal justice will or should now feel satiated
― Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Monday, 22 December 2014 22:58 (nine years ago) link
i imagine de blasio has an interest in maintaining a somewhat working relationship between the police and the communities they work and is probably trying to taper down hostilities before they turn into a broader problem. i think he's less worried about the police picking a rando to vent their anger on in revenge, and more worried about police responding to protests more forcefully/hostilely, protests becoming more aggressive in response, etc. de blasio doesn't want that kind of dynamic obvs.
― Mordy, Monday, 22 December 2014 22:59 (nine years ago) link
no i am pretty sure de blasio is worried about police unions shitting on him in general. there is nothing heroic about this move imo
― marcos, Monday, 22 December 2014 23:04 (nine years ago) link
pragmatism is a kind of heroism i guess
― Mordy, Monday, 22 December 2014 23:05 (nine years ago) link
uh
― gbx, Monday, 22 December 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
Isn't it instructive that there is talk of 'placating' a police force, as if they were less civil servants, and more an angry tribe?
terribly instructive if one hadn't already noticed that placating vicious cop union leaders is giving him palpitations, and that subtly alluding to their blackmail might actually help his cause, given that even people in the mainstream are objecting to it
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-12-22/why-cops-and-republicans-are-blaming-blacklivesmatter-protests-for-a-double-murder
― Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Monday, 22 December 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link
nor does it intimate that critics of criminal justice will or should now feel satiated
except that "in due time" usually = "never"
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 23:10 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 23:10 (1 minute ago)
that remains to be seen, given that even george w bush queried the garner decision those criticisms are not such a minor interest these days
de blasio has already made comments sufficently sympathetic to those criticisms that he is a police pariah, and the right already fucking hates him, so it would lead to charges of hypocrisy and backtracking from his natural constituencies if he were to close down reformist discussion in the longer term
and his comments to that idiot reporter are a fairly clear defence of protest rights with the usual 'large majority of peaceful protestors' liberal caveat, so one can hardly accuse him of a volte face just yet
― Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Monday, 22 December 2014 23:27 (nine years ago) link
no
that is precisely how commentary/opinion always refers to any specific interest group who come bearing real or imagined grudges, including civil servants
― local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, 22 December 2014 23:50 (nine years ago) link
lol u british
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 23:58 (nine years ago) link
gov't employees here aren't "placated" ever, mostly they're just vilified
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 December 2014 23:59 (nine years ago) link
testament to how dense you that are that it's probably more reasonable to conclude that you think deems is british, or that dublin is british, than that you are making a delightful west brit zing at his expense
― Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
ach its not like I'm invested here but the contortions are p ridic is all
― local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
I know he isn't british and would hate the suggestion that he is british but thx for playing
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
see the joek is to call anybody in the UK british explaining comedy makes it funnier to u see
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:05 (nine years ago) link
british isles eh whatever
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:06 (nine years ago) link
outic,
if you were de blasio, and you knew that elements of the police were hostile to you personally, that they also despised the recent anti-police protests, that emotions were running high after the killing of two officers carried out on the nominal behalf of these protesters' cause, and that the entire world has watched, over the past several months, a much smaller city in this country devolve into riots under very similar circumstances, would you seriously not try to de-escalate this situation? you don't have to believe it is right, i guess, but i'm not sure it's plausible for a mayor to act otherwise while still carrying out his duty as mayor.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:07 (nine years ago) link
fantastic xp
― local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:08 (nine years ago) link
dublin's not in the uk...
― Treeship, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:11 (nine years ago) link
mayor shakey would be like "this was a good start - i expect more cop-killings in the morning"
― Mordy, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link
de-escalate the situation
it seems to me that the institution that is threatening to keep escalating the situation is the police department. so while "placating" them makes total sense given the politics of the position De Blasio is in (ie, he's the mayor and requires, at least to some extent, the cooperation and loyalty of the police department) it does not actually de-escalate the situation, insofar as it leaves the public with the impression that reverting to the status quo - where it's ok for the PD to regularly murder black men - is acceptable. From my point of view (as a non-resident and non-mayor of New York City) this is not really acceptable. The police department needs to be disciplined, or at least be shown that the possibility of disciplinary action can be reasonably expected. The murders are, frankly, irrelevant and not a reflection on the protestors or their goals. I get why De Blasio is acting as he is - which is probably even counter to his own instincts - but guess what this is what happens when you're the mayor and in charge of corrupt institutions, the institutions bend you to their will through the leverage of political expediency.
lol mordy
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:17 (nine years ago) link
but seriously as mayor I would immediately empower an independent (ie, non-DA) prosecutor to be in charge of police brutality/fatality investigations
the police department would hate this and probably have me killed immediately
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:18 (nine years ago) link
yes yes hence my post immediately following my typo do keep up
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:19 (nine years ago) link
either way, isn't it problematic to insult someone by referring to him by the nationality of his nation's former colonizer?
― Treeship, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:22 (nine years ago) link
it seems to me that the institution that is threatening to keep escalating the situation is the police department.
this is not rly true thobut I do generally agree with the rest
and I'm not from fuckin Dublin, which btw is part of the uk tbrr
― local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:24 (nine years ago) link
xp this wasn't that and the thread does not need sidetracking that way
insofar as it leaves the public with the impression that reverting to the status quo - where it's ok for the PD to regularly murder black men - is acceptable. From my point of view (as a non-resident and non-mayor of New York City) this is not really acceptable.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:17 (1 minute ago)
this is not a particularly lucid reading if it requires entirely forgetting comments he made a couple of weeks ago about the fear of his own son being murdered by the nypd, comments that absolutely nobody in the america media is forgetting
― Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:28 (nine years ago) link
outic OTM throughout
― marcos, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 00:28 (nine years ago) link