So many states with no minimum: http://www.latchkey-kids.com/latchkey-kids-age-limits.htm
My state's included in the "none" column. Here's how we define it: "Leaving the juvenile alone when the juvenile is too young to care for himself…" I've known 17-year-olds who would've fit that description.
Minimum age in Kansas is six. Why even make a law, Kansas?
― pplains, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link
Six only if a firearm is present, eight otherwise, iirc.
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
6? Jesus christ.
― american tail/american pie (how's life), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
parents who insist on going outside for a morning run when it's 5 degrees out and roll their freezing children in a jogger stroller, i judge thee. your kids are not warming up. they are not exercising like you are. they are fucking cold.
― marcos, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
Illinois is 14???? Shit, we're probably going to break that law.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
xpost, just bundle them up in one of those stroller sleeping bags and put a windshield on the stroller, they'll be find. Toughens them up.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link
14! my parents definitely should be in prison.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link
parents who insist on going outside for a morning run when it's 5 degrees out and roll their freezing children in a jogger stroller, i judge thee. your kids are not warming up. they are not exercising like you are. they are fucking cold.― marcos, Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21537988
― american tail/american pie (how's life), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
Delaware recommends 12, although there's no law, which is good because I was letting myself into our apartment after school when I was ten.
― carl agatha, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
hah here in France there's no legal age, and I see lots of kids ages 8 and younger going around town alone, to/fro school, even riding public trans.
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
back in Illinois I suspect we have taken liberties though. 14! that's nuts.
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
In Maryland though, there's a current thing where some parents are under investigation for letting their kids walk home together.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/maryland-couple-want-free-range-kids-but-not-all-do/2015/01/14/d406c0be-9c0f-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html
― american tail/american pie (how's life), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
kids are probably all drunk on fine wine too
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
man have I told you about school lunches here?
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
all stinky cheese and foie gras I assume
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
yes on former; don't think they've had foie gras yet. but it's four courses every day: entrée, main dish, dairy, and dessert. and they get 2 hours for lunch (including a recess). in the USA they get 15 minutes, no joke. which is all you need to scarf down your corn dog I guess.
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
15 minutes? my kid gets an hour
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
We get half an hour lunch, half an hour recess. The 1/2 hour recess is insufficient, imo.
― american tail/american pie (how's life), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link
Doesn't school get out late in France though?
― badg, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
my little one gets out at 4:30pm each day, whereas yeah in the usa it was 2:30pm. still 15 minutes is horrible.
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 22 January 2015 11:04 (nine years ago) link
i heard an encore broadcast of jennifer senior on fresh air this morning talking about her book "all joy, no fun" about modern parenting and there was a really interesting segment about sleep deprivation. has this been discussed here?
i was wondering whether or not judgement of other people's parenting would increase if one is sleep deprived and struggling to do one's best, only to see other people not following suit. i have a lot of friends who have privately told me that they feel completely squashed by the constant eyes looking at them and evaluating their success or failure. they're doing their best, but it leads to a lot of guilt and general bad feelings. i wish they didn't feel this way, but nothing i say makes any difference, in no small part because it's not something that affects my life (I don't have kids and I don't sit around thinking about other people's parenting). Still, since it affects the lives of virtually all my closest friends, i was wondering if anyone thinks there's a connection between sleep deprivation and vocal judgment of other people's parenting?
not trying to start a conflict, just wondering what ilx parents think
― groundless round (La Lechera), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
No way, I'm more understanding of other parents since I became a parent, not less.
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:46 (nine years ago) link
Me too. I'm my own harshest critic but I don't really care what other people think of my parenting. And when it comes to other people, in most cases I think parents are just trying to do their best for their children. There are times when I think somebody might look at me critically, say, for paying more attention to my phone than F when we're on a train. But they wouldn't know that F is desperate for a nap and will fall asleep in his buggy if ignored.
― Madchen, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
it's possible that they're hypersensitive to it bc they are sleep deprived -- that has occurred to me. it's weird because these are not people i would have thought would really care what other people thought but it's weird how frequently they talk about it (when i manage to talk with them at all and by talk i mean email or text)
― groundless round (La Lechera), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
i find most other parents to be empathetic, it's the ones who don't have kids who seem a mite judgey sometimes.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
IDC about other people, parents or not, judging me. But I do judge other parents all the time, but mostly in silence.
― Jeff, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
Everything is harder when you haven't gotten enough sleep for a year or two.
― about a dozen duck supporters (carl agatha), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
i know! that's what i'm saying -- i am trying to understand how maybe there is a relationship between sleep deprivation and the tendency to judge/feel judged. it just bums me out because i know people aren't being as harsh on my friends as they think people are being but my friends are so tired and worn out that i think they just slide into feeling blue. it bums me out on their behalf. this is why i asked.
― groundless round (La Lechera), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
i was wondering if anyone thinks there's a connection between sleep deprivation and vocal judgment of other people's parenting?
just to be clear - are you referring to parenting-related sleep deprivation?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
or just regular old garden variety sleep deprivation
^^^this
bear in mind I started this thread in the spirit of comedy, I don't really go around yelling at people about their shitty parenting. and we're all very supportive of each other here ime
― Οὖτις, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
the former
― groundless round (La Lechera), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
Maybe you're more likely to discuss what other parents you know do vs what you do and compare, and sometimes that gets judgey. At the same time I'm much more sympathetic when I see a random parent having trouble with their child in the street or something.
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
and my friends i'm referring to are not on ilxi just get bits and pieces of these difficulties from them periodically
Maybe you're more likely to discuss what other parents you know do vs what you do and compare, and sometimes that gets judgey. this, basicallyand what i'm wondering, just idly and without malice, is whether sleep deprivation makes ppl extra sensitive about this and the answer is probably yes but i wanted to see what you guys thought out of curiosity
― groundless round (La Lechera), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
I have no idea really, I'm going on 2 1/2+ years of constant sleep deprivation myself
― Οὖτις, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
if people do judge my parenting I'm not really aware of it and if I was well hey fuck them what do I care
that's easier for some people to say than others, ime -- and this is why i brought it up i did not expect my friends to be so fragile, but sleep deprivation makes some people mean and some people fragileno?
― groundless round (La Lechera), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
I'm sure it affects different people differently, mostly it just makes me out of it
― Οὖτις, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
LL I feel like you are talking around a specific bad experience
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
maybei don't know, and that's why i asked!
― groundless round (La Lechera), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
no I mean it just sounds like you were recently hanging out with some specific parent friends who freaked out about something and kind of shocked you and you're wondering if it's normal, ha
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
maybei wish we were hanging outit was just via email/text (they're my college friends, only one of them is local)
― groundless round (La Lechera), Friday, 30 January 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
The family of a six-year-old US boy staged his mock kidnapping because they thought he was too nice to strangers, Missouri police say.
dear god
― mookieproof, Saturday, 7 February 2015 02:36 (nine years ago) link
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/f4/f47db4327d68f7bc38f0feab94c9632177ff2ecf4a31ee6836c1f86096aecc0a.jpg
― een, Saturday, 7 February 2015 03:18 (nine years ago) link
Bike-helmeted dad riding a bike down a busy street while carrying your (unhelmeted) toddler in one arm: i judge you
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 01:37 (nine years ago) link
I get IA about kids and parents biking where the kid is wearing a helmet and the parent is not. I mean, I don't care if anyone wears a helmet or not, just goddamn match, especially if you are forcing your kid to wear one.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 01:40 (nine years ago) link
eh I've witnessed too many bike accidents in this city - every time I see someone on a bike without a helmet I instantly think they are morons, but protecting yourself while endangering your kid is next level
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
I generally can't take seeing a little kid on the back of a bike in a busy urban area. When I consider what a high percentage of my friends who bike regularly in the city have been in at least one accident, it just seems like an unacceptable risk to me.
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link
kid wasn't even on the back, dad was literally cradling him in one arm while steering the bike with the other. In the middle of rush hour traffic on a busy 4-lane street!
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
A-ok with your judging there.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 21:16 (nine years ago) link