MAD MEN on AMC - Seasons 7(a) & & 7(b)

it's one of the things i liked about the show most i think; the fact that the channel they were on meant they *couldn't* go full on murderboobs. instead you get.. romance and hints of things and smouldering. sexiness is sexier than sex as i believe someone once said.

I just watched the first 3 episodes of the first season.

meh.

― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the quintessential morbs post. suitable for framing.

I think people exaggerate and get oddly hung up about the nudity/sex. The French equivalents like Hard and Maison Close really do feature sex as a main ingredient though.

The Americans has much more sex

of course, "The Americans" came later, after basic cable networks had been pushing the envelope regarding sex and violence for a few years.

that said, I don't think "Mad Men" has much interest in doing that and I think it's to the show's benefit.

(i still think there is something fundamentally pretentious and dissatisfying about this show, or maybe it's simply that its pretensions bump up against the strictures--and by that i don't mean the censorship of violence of sex-- of broadcast TV shows more obviously than in other cases.)

I imagine the only thing that would be different if Mad Men were broadcast on hbo would be more bad language, but probably not that much more.

there'd be boobs. all hbo shows have boobs. it's required.

I think even the show knows that the 'it's toasted' thing was stupid. They became much subtler about it going onward.

yeah afaik HBO pretty much has a t&a quota.

I think mad men is at its best whenever don is less the center of attention than the "absent center" that the other characters have to figure out, struggle against, etc. I'm also of the mind that the most potentially pretentious moments are often the best. also, if the show seems portentous then that's a result of it's weird dream logic which is also the best thing about it.

I don't get you Οὖτις, are you watching top secret uncut versions of these shows? Beyond the first season of Game Of Thrones there really isn't much nudity, but it gets increasingly gory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_HBO

Looking over this list I don't recall an overwhelming amount of nudity. Definitely more asses than breasts though. Never saw Everybody Loves Raymond, but if it was a boob-fest I'd probably know about it.

It definitely wasn't the only problem but I think Hung was probably too shy about the sex. I knew I probably wasn't going to see a giant schlong swinging around and destroying buildings but still.

Beyond the first season of Game Of Thrones there really isn't much nudity

uh

there are gratuitous boob shots in literally every episode of that show

amateurist is never gonna fuck right off, is he

hard to respond without sounding like I am dutifully keeping a checklist of nudity on HBO but True Detective, Girls, Looking, Silicon Valley, Togetherness have all had boobs/sexually graphic scenes. As far as past shows - Sopranos, Eastbound and Down, Boardwalk Empire, Deadwood, the Wire, Sex and the City, Mr. Show, Kids in the Hall, Big Love, etc. all had nudity at some point (some much more gratuitous than others, (I'm looking at you the Wire)) and I would bet some of the shows I haven't seen on there (6 Feet Under, the Entourage, Oz) had their share as well.

this is a thing with HBO

xxp

http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/tech/game-of-thrones-sex-and-nudity-the-complete-collection-517397015

Oz had plenty but sex was a major thing in the story. I still think it's their best show.

I was right, that Video only covers 3 seasons but the majority was from season 1, which had annoyingly contrived scenes that the later ones generally lacked. The majority of the nudity is with prostitutes and brothel scenes. So I still think you're exaggerating.

amateurist is never gonna fuck right off, is he

― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:43 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can you laugh at yourself even a little bit? c'mon, being curtly dismissive of some popular and entrenched pop-cultural phenomenon is something you do all the time, surely even you must recognize that.

I was right, that Video only covers 3 seasons but the majority was from season 1

it may have been worse in season 1 sure but I defy you to name me an episode from the series with zero nudity

I remember there was a s4 episode where The Following Program Contains... didn't have nudity in it, which was shocking enough that I still remember it

*cough*

ok so they skimped on the nudity for a handful of episodes

*eats hat*

The next to last of season four? Wasn't it all about the wall, where it's way too cold to take your clothes off?

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/67638-interview-with-director-neil-marshall/

I can only imagine how much pressure there would have been to make the Joan-sleeps-w-car-exec scene even grosser if Mad Men was on HBO

Maybe most episodes have nudity but beyond the first season and some of the second it rarely feels forced. An occasional brief topless woman or man's ass barely has the kind of presence to make it worth mentioning. The violence, dialogue, locations, cgi and political aspects all have a constant presence.

In Oz, asses and rape are definitely worth mentioning because they were always in the show and never detracted from the brilliance.

As far I can can remember, Roger's ass is the only thing that might be considered proper nudity in Mad Men.

c'mon, Oz was a fucking sensationalist homoerotic soap

(not that there's anything wrong with that)

If you continue to talk about Mad Men and Joan and nudity on the same thread, I'm going to helplessly go all Robert Christgau on you.

Oz also boasted more feces than any other similar drama. I don't think they overdid anything. Sure, the scene with Keller spreading his asscheeks wasn't crucial to the story but it was funny and it helped show you he was the sort of guy who didn't mind doing that in plain view.
Oz was fucking amazing, everybody watch it if you haven't.

I know nothing about Christgau and I don't fancy that thread.

last season of game of thrones literally had an orgy in it

The rapes at Craster's place?

being curtly dismissive of some popular and entrenched pop-cultural phenomenon is something you do all the time

not a prime factor, i'm also dismissive of tedious student films by Wim Wenders

you probably shouldn't take my advice as to which screenings to attend!

guys please, not in the game of thrones nudity thread

Mad Men is a great show btw

Will you still be saying that after SEASON 7(B): ALL NUDE HARRY, ALL THE TIME

assuming some kind of torture is involved... maybe

i think season 7(b) is the one where they give pete's toupee its own voice-over

Hell toupe

"it was a quarter to six and already i was swimming in flop-sweat."

My main problem with the show is that I don't think Pete would be tolerated let alone be a successful businessman. It's not like he has any conspicuous talents that might lead people to overlook his awfulness. It just never rings true. Also, the actor is quite bad.

I like the show well enough not to dump it at this stage but I do think there are a lot of false notes in it and there haven't been that many great moments in later series, aside from its production design.

there have been a few plots that point to pete's talents, although because of the way the actor plays pete, those always seem more notional than real.

i don't know whether the acting is "bad" or "good". i think he plays pete in a more stylized way than some of the other actors, and you're right that he doesn't seem credible as a successful businessman b/c he telegraphs his cravenness too clearly. but it's still very watchable which is at least as reasonable a litmus test as "realistic."

Pete is totally credible in a world in which the likes of Roger are successful businessmen.

is he credible in the sense of "the bundle of traits assigned to this character is credible" or "the actual texture of this man's personality as conveyed by speech patterns/body language/etc. is credible". i feel like those things are contingently separable.

An unpleasant, underqualified person ... in accounts/sales?!

A lot of forgetting about the "Old Boy Network" of connections >>>> talent in this thread.

are you saying we're untalented?