it's not complicated you just adjust the points scale (no. 1 gets 50 points, no. 50 gets 1 point, etc.)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link
this is why you lay out how you're going to assign points at the outset, and how long a ballot you will accept
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
here's a dropbox link to the spreadsheet template I use.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wtyvbozifqfrtvn/ballot%20poll.xlsx?dl=0
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link
SORRY, DAD.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
To answer your first question - yes we have, though not often. Justified in this case IMO. Epics poll => epic length ballots. I'd also welcome a stupidly epic points assignment, e.g. 999 points for your #1, 500 for #2, 250, 200, 150, 145, 140 etc. (or something)
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
yr welcome. now go to your room
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
I used a floating Pazz & Jop-type point system for Neil Young--how many points you had to work with depended upon how large your ballot was--with ballots of up to 50 songs. It was quite needlessly complicated.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 22:47 (nine years ago) link
It was my Blur poll that resulted in this never-ending list being drawn up a few years ago. That poll had 22 spots on the ballot and some of the subsequent ones did too, but it's been tidied up to 20 in most of them.
― (Meme From) Essex Press (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
More than a month later and the "epics" poll hasn't even started and the s3 results rollout is proceeding at the rate of one a day. Lol @ this being preceded by the discussion about keeping things moving along at the rate of one poll every couple of weeks.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
Right? The plot is entirely lost.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
The no classical rule was there mostly because I didn't want to listen or deal with Xenakis. Sigh.― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The truth comes out ;-)
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
someone could just start the next poll then!
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
bring on CCR
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
the next poll on the list is actually Yo La Tengo/Dump (Clemenza). I would happily tell him to get started if I didn't think people would complain about too many polls going on at once. The "epics" thing has turned into a clusterfuck (just as I predicted) and yet people seem to be enjoying arguing about it and it's not like I can shut it down (much as I would like to), nor can I make Elvis Telecom roll out his results any faster. But at this rate things are gonna be bogged down for awhile.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
Oh yes! (xp)
― Walking Close to Melton Mowbray (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
eh I say let's start another. ILM seems very low on chat lately; polls at least present a reason to talk. and I'm not into the current polls for one reason or another
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
also dunno where Leee's getting his poll numbering from - the epics poll is no. 64 (Spacemen 3 is no. 63).
current list:63. Spacemen 3 and related acts - Elvis Telecom (link: Everybody I know can be POLLED here: The Spacemen 3, Spectrum, Spiritualized, and descendants poll thread (ILM Artist Poll Thread #57))64. “Epics” - Leee (link: THIS IS NOT AN EPICS POLL: The 10+ minute long nominations thread, ILM Ballot Poll #58)65. Yo La Tengo/Dump - Clemenza66. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK67. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy68. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt69. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life70. Extreme Metal - Viceroy71. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains73. Spoon - Bee OK74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods76. Queen - charlie h77. Can - Z S78. Tom Petty - rogermexico79. Ramones - tipsy mothra (finished)80. Jimi Hendrix - some dude81. Stereolab - Moka82. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK83. Genesis + solo - NickB84. The Smiths - nate woolls85. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl86. The Burt Bacharach songbook - C. Grisso/McCain87. Dead C - Raymond Cummings88. Royal Trux + side projects - sleeve89. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?90. Rush - Matt #291. Oasis - pollrunner needed for this one92. George Michael - Ismael Klata93. Talking Heads - Bee OK94. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan95. Van Halen - Johnny Fever96. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino97. Low - aldo98. Nine Inch Nails - chap99. REM - rogermexico.100. Bjork - Eric H.101. Wu-Tang Clan - Spottie102. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK103. Covers - kornrulez6969104. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee105. They Might Be Giants - Johnny Fever106. No Wave - sarahell107. DFA - Van Horn Street108. Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080109. Beatles solo careers - Οὖτις110. Erykah Badu - Eric H.111. Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party/et al - charlie h112. Herbie Hancock - crüt113. Aphex Twin - Stevie D114. Blondie - Bee OK115. Electroclash - soref116. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - Spottie117. Siouxsie & the Banshees/The Creatures - LeRooLeRoo118. AM Radio Gold - Jeff W119. Eurovision - nxd120. Steve Albini - nate woolls121. Yellow Magic Orchestra - frogbs122. Elvis Presley - Euler123. Byrds + offshoots - kornrulez6969124. Cardiacs + affiliated - imago125. Tropicalia/MPB - Frederik B126. Chic Organization - 127. Stooges/Iggy Pop -
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
The "epics" thing has turned into a clusterfuck
Not even close.
I have no problem with the next poll going, as I'm going to give an extended amount of time for people to figure out their ballots.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
the audiences for the ones up through CCR are probably tiny enough that they could all run simultaneously without threatening ILM's attention spam imo
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
I realise that it's years until it would happen anyway, but I want to withdraw myself from the electroclash poll, I don't think I'd be able to deliver the desirable level of finesse and sparkle. If anyone else was interested enough to take over I wouldn't mind adding up ballots if they handle images/MCing threads etc
― soref, Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:08 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― I took part in a race last week and Jenny was the name of my horse (soref), Thursday, 12 March 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
Sorry i missed that, i'll remove that one
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
thanks!
― I took part in a race last week and Jenny was the name of my horse (soref), Thursday, 12 March 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
altho I don't want to question yr decision I want to state for the record thay I wld love a soref-helmed electroclash poll
― ogmor, Thursday, 12 March 2015 23:06 (nine years ago) link
i was going to stay out of this but since i use to manage this thread and there seems to be some confusion on the numbering (it actually makes sense). completed and in progress:
A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished) B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)42. Stax - seandalai (finished)43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (finished)47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h (finished)49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom (finished)50. Steely Dan - Bee OK (finished)51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra (finished)52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain (finished)53. Outkast - Spottie (finished)54. Autechre - Leee (finished)55. Brian Eno - WmC (finished)56. Radiohead - nate woolls57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom Somewhere in our hearts, results won't be the same (Spacemen 3 & etc. ballot results - ILM poll #57)58. "Epics" - Leee THIS IS NOT AN EPICS POLL: The 10+ minute long nominations thread, ILM Ballot Poll #5859. XTC - Οὖτις (finished)60. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza61. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK62. Italo - daavid (finished)
69. Pixies - Johnny Fever (finished)
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra (finished)
― Bee OK, Friday, 13 March 2015 07:07 (nine years ago) link
sorry56. Radiohead - nate woolls (finished) also:
61. The Boo Radleys... 61. P-Funk - Οὖτις (finished)
― Bee OK, Friday, 13 March 2015 07:46 (nine years ago) link
well if you sequentially number the 7 that were completed out of order (or without a number at all) seems to me that makes more sense. and is how i have it in the list.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
eh I say let's start another. ILM seems very low on chat lately; polls at least present a reason to talk.
Yes, let's get to the next poll!! I can't take anymore Christgau and Kim Gordon bashing, and the epics poll is taking way too long.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 13 March 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
I feel like it should be: 2/3 days for noms, 5 to 7 days for listening, then voting starts.
― Dinsdale, Friday, 13 March 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
91. Oasis - pollrunner needed for this one
put this one out of our misery imo
― nashwan, Friday, 13 March 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
I would take an Oasis poll over nothing, "Columbia" is a jam
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 13 March 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
that's basically it but that's an easy poll to run
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 13 March 2015 19:07 (nine years ago) link
As I've mentioned a couple of times, I (and mookieproof, and van horn street, I think) can begin Yo La Tengo the day school ends. I was hoping one or two people would go first: Radiohead, maybe someone else, too.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 March 2015 00:16 (nine years ago) link
I can start Yo La Tengo in a month if you guys want! Before that it might be difficult.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 14 March 2015 00:18 (nine years ago) link
Actually, since I'm only doing images, a month from now would be fine for me. I could get a bunch of images ready ahead of time and just add text later.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 March 2015 00:21 (nine years ago) link
ok, i will open The Boo Radleys if no one objects.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:13 (nine years ago) link
Fine w me. Will move you up the list
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:20 (nine years ago) link
can you take me off the list? my work commitments are too much now, there's no way i can commit to running a poll sorry :(
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 March 2015 02:49 (nine years ago) link
Veg, that poll is like 2-3 years away.
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:28 (nine years ago) link
so what number should i use next?
60 or 63, 65, 66?
― Bee OK, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:42 (nine years ago) link
yeah, might as well leave electroclash in place for the years' wait too, just in case
― oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:43 (nine years ago) link
xpost
Radiohead, maybe someone else, too.
A POLL IN A CAGE ON ANTIBIOTICS - ILM Artist Poll #56 - RADIOHEAD - RESULTS THREAD
― Bee OK, Saturday, 14 March 2015 05:25 (nine years ago) link
Okay, now I remember. If you look on the big list, there's no "finished" beside Radiohead.
So go ahead and do the Boo Radleys, and it sounds like we can do Yo La Tengo late April.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 March 2015 13:25 (nine years ago) link
The "big list" is old and outdated, dont reference it
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 14 March 2015 13:34 (nine years ago) link
i don't know about that: Somewhere in our hearts, results won't be the same (Spacemen 3 & etc. ballot results - ILM poll #57)
― Bee OK, Saturday, 14 March 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
damn, wrong thread: ILM Ballot Polls: where to find the results threads
― Bee OK, Saturday, 14 March 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link
and yeah clemenza, made a mistake there but corrected it in the next post...
― Bee OK, Saturday, 14 March 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
would like to know what number, with this new system, i should use for The Boo Radleys?
― Bee OK, Saturday, 14 March 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
pi
― WilliamC, Saturday, 14 March 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
I don't really get why putting the poll number in the thread title is important, given how arbitrary they are and how things move around.
anyway, updated list (I bumped YLT to come after the Boo Radleys and Emo/Screamo polls, hopefully those will take about a month):63. Spacemen 3 and related acts - Elvis Telecom (link: Somewhere in our hearts, results won't be the same (Spacemen 3 & etc. ballot results - ILM poll #57))64. “Epics” - Leee (link: STILL NOT AN EPICS POLL - VOTING THREAD, ENDS MARCH 28)65. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK66. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy67. Yo La Tengo/Dump - Clemenza68. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt69. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life70. Extreme Metal - Viceroy71. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains73. Spoon - Bee OK74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods76. Queen - charlie h77. Can - Z S78. Tom Petty - rogermexico79. Jimi Hendrix - some dude80. Stereolab - Moka81. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK82. Genesis + solo - NickB83. The Smiths - nate woolls84. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl85. The Burt Bacharach songbook - C. Grisso/McCain86. Dead C - Raymond Cummings87. Royal Trux + side projects - sleeve88. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?89. Rush - Matt #290. Oasis - pollrunner needed for this one91. George Michael - Ismael Klata92. Talking Heads - Bee OK93. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan94. Van Halen - Johnny Fever95. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino96. Low - aldo97. Nine Inch Nails - chap98. REM - rogermexico.99. Bjork - Eric H.100. Wu-Tang Clan - Spottie101. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK102. Covers - kornrulez6969103. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee104. They Might Be Giants - Johnny Fever105. No Wave - sarahell106. DFA - Van Horn Street107. Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080108. Beatles solo careers - Οὖτις109. Erykah Badu - Eric H.110. Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party/et al - charlie h111. Herbie Hancock - crüt112. Aphex Twin - Stevie D113. Blondie - Bee OK114. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - Spottie115. Siouxsie & the Banshees/The Creatures - LeRooLeRoo116. AM Radio Gold - Jeff W117. Eurovision - nxd118. Steve Albini - nate woolls119. Yellow Magic Orchestra - frogbs120. Elvis Presley - Euler121. Byrds + offshoots - kornrulez6969122. Cardiacs + affiliated - imago123. Tropicalia/MPB - Frederik B124. Chic Organization - 125. Stooges/Iggy Pop -
― Οὖτις, Monday, 16 March 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link