last line of the episode was something like "you know what happened next, the question is can you live with it" -- so maybe she decides she can't?
― creaks, whines and trife (s.clover), Friday, 13 March 2015 03:47 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, that was my though too... She knows Mike is absolutely dedicated to his family, so she still lets her look after Kaylee (makes being a single mom easier too), but after he revealed all that she can't bear to look him in the eyes anymore.
― Tuomas, Friday, 13 March 2015 07:21 (nine years ago) link
"so she still lets him look after Kaylee"
― Tuomas, Friday, 13 March 2015 07:22 (nine years ago) link
maybe those maxi pads weren't just* for the wounds, then
― Punny Names (latebloomer), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link
Felix will wash himself, but Oscar won't. He just won't!
― AB de Villiers Terrace (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 11:23 (nine years ago) link
that was the saddest ending for anything i've seen in a long while.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 13:45 (nine years ago) link
I feel like this show is waaaay better at dealing with the gray areas of ethics/morality, or at least the pull/descent of/into unethical/illegal behavior than Breaking Bad ever was. I mean, I never thought that was the point of Breaking Bad, but at certain earlier points it was, and many people seemed to think that's what the series was about.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link
^^^ thinking the exact same thing last night. In a lot of ways they've (oddly) made Saul a more sympathetic character, a human with actual ethical dilemmas in a way Walt never was beyond maybe the first couple episodes of BB
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
and I like how this isn't a show where every episode hinges on some sort of high-stakes tension/crisis that he has to weasel out of, it's much more subtle and character-driven than the sort of mechanical "how will they get out of THIS" constructs of so much of BB
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:28 (nine years ago) link
otm. enjoying this show for that exact reason.
also the sex toilet scene.
― out here like a flopson (tpp), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:24 (nine years ago) link
curious as to where they're going to go over the next few episodes, as this last one seemed to wrap up a lot of the existing plot arcs.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:07 (nine years ago) link
Whatsisface the gangbanger will certainly rear his head in the next ep or two.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link
ya- i thought he was shaping up to be the main antagonist, but he's vanished completely.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:39 (nine years ago) link
Interesting that they still keep on depicting Jimmy as someone who does the right thing, in the end... I wonder what his point of no return will be, when he'll turn from "Jimmy" to "Saul"? The plot seems to be wired so that something will happen to Chuck, and that's when Jimmy is lost. Chuck is clearly set up as his moral anchor, Jimmy didn't even want him to find out about the billboard stunt, so I don't think he could become fully crooked if Chuck was still around. (Also, could he ever confess to Chuck he changed the family name they share into something Jewish-sounding just for profits? Though I guess there's still the possibility that big law firm will force him to change his name to avoid trademark infringement.)
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
well we know Chuck exits the picture at some point, so yeah I think you're right that how that happens is going to be a big turning point in the show and for Jimmy
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:46 (nine years ago) link
well, this last episode the only reason he "did the right thing" was to help out his lawyer friend Kim. i was guessing that as soon as she leaves the picture, he'll have no motive to be a better person any more.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but Jimmy has a future and Walt, even after remission, never really did. So, yeah, BCS will be a lot of grey area and what can I live with as opposed to BB, in Walt's case, being more of a the system fucked me over for 50 years and now I'm going to fuck with it. Jesse had a ton of moral grey area.
― smoochy-woochy touchy-wouchy, (sunny successor), Thursday, 19 March 2015 00:42 (nine years ago) link
well, this last episode the only reason he "did the right thing" was to help out his lawyer friend Kim.
You could say that he helped the Kettlemans too, at least their kids, by forcing them to accept the deal... Though of course he benefitted from that too.
Walt, even after remission, never really did.
Was that really case? When the cancer went into remission, I don't think the doctor said that it will inevitably come back and that Walt will inevitably die within a couple of years. It felt more like that, after the remission, the "I have no future" thing was just something Walt kept telling himself so he'd have no reason to quit being Heisenberg. Wasn't there even some episode where Walt confessed that he felt lost, because with the cancer diagnosis he had a clear direction in life, and after the remission that direction was gone?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 19 March 2015 07:11 (nine years ago) link
This show is great, I love the Kettlemans, apparently Albuquerque is full of inept would-be Walt & Skylars (and Jesse Pinkmans). You get the sense that BB Saul initially thought he was dealing with another pair of idiot clowns until things got real.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 12:57 (nine years ago) link
I'm enjoying the loose yet controlled plotting. It seems to be becoming a tradition to have the first act of each episode dealing with aftermath of the previous one, before moving on to its main storyline.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 19 March 2015 13:05 (nine years ago) link
"The 25th Hour with Maude and Ned Flanders"
― tayto fan (Michael B), Thursday, 19 March 2015 13:06 (nine years ago) link
Also, could he ever confess to Chuck he changed the family name they share into something Jewish-sounding just for profits?
chuck suggested the name change in the first episode
― sexpost TMIing! (wins), Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link
or at least suggested jimmy not use the family name for his firm, same diff
― sexpost TMIing! (wins), Thursday, 19 March 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link
Something about this latest episode tipped it over into "better than Breaking Bad" territory for me.
― WilliamC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
I was hesitant to say that but I am leaning that way too
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
it's pretty different, but in ways that are more appealing to me, I guess? And Bob is just killin it, he's created a character that's much more fun to watch than Walt
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
I would guess that the pacing is among the more common complaints that anyone complaining about the show might have, but I love it. Everything is given room to breathe as if it were a film from the '70s.
― A Whizzer, A Poo Star (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
ha yes there is something v 70s-ish about it a la the Friends of Eddie Coyle or Charlie Varrick or something
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, Charlie Varrick is a great point of comparison.
― WilliamC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 23:45 (nine years ago) link
/well, this last episode the only reason he "did the right thing" was to help out his lawyer friend Kim./You could say that he helped the Kettlemans too, at least their kids, by forcing them to accept the deal... Though of course he benefitted from that too./Walt, even after remission, never really did./Was that really case? When the cancer went into remission, I don't think the doctor said that it will inevitably come back and that Walt will inevitably die within a couple of years. It felt more like that, after the remission, the "I have no future" thing was just something Walt kept telling himself so he'd have no reason to quit being Heisenberg. Wasn't there even some episode where Walt confessed that he felt lost, because with the cancer diagnosis he had a clear direction in life, and after the remission that direction was gone?
/Walt, even after remission, never really did./
Well yeah that was a huge turning point when Walt went into remission. I'm not really talking about the cancer per se just that I never felt that Walt would be alive at the end of the series.
― smoochy-woochy touchy-wouchy, (sunny successor), Thursday, 19 March 2015 23:59 (nine years ago) link
the final scene with jimmy kicking the door - i wasn't entirely sure i followed this. did losing the money from the kettlemans mean he wouldn't be able to afford his new office, or was he upset because his friend was staying with the rival company?
― why dont u say something or like just die (dog latin), Friday, 20 March 2015 11:52 (nine years ago) link
i took that to mean he couldnt afford the new office
― tayto fan (Michael B), Friday, 20 March 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
kim had already politely declined his offer
― tayto fan (Michael B), Friday, 20 March 2015 12:04 (nine years ago) link
Betsy Kettleman is such a great character.
― why dont u say something or like just die (dog latin), Friday, 20 March 2015 12:14 (nine years ago) link
"Don't look back, honey. Always forward. Always in life, look forward."
― why dont u say something or like just die (dog latin), Friday, 20 March 2015 12:16 (nine years ago) link
yeah, that was a great line. she's wonderful.
― ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 March 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
eh this is crazytalk
I like this show a lot but it's still just breaking bad minus the leads at this point. 7 episodes in and michael mckean is the closest thing to a memorable character who wasn't in the original show.
― iatee, Friday, 20 March 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
pacing feels very different from BB to me
― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link
looking at wikipedia - only 1 out of the 7 episodes so far wasn't written by someone who worked on breaking bad
nobody is gonna want to fuck w/ the formula when it works, but if they really wanted to make a real break w/ breaking bad they shoulda put it in another city and not brought back mike as a lead
― iatee, Friday, 20 March 2015 23:15 (nine years ago) link
idg yr criticisms - it can't be better than the first series, because it's about the same people? no one's arguing that the show's not set in the same locale, with the same characters, etc. but it's tone and direction and the kind of stories/conflicts it's focusing on are pretty different. and like I said upthread, I prefer Jimmy as a protagonist to Walt, he's just more interesting/funnier/more nuanced. Walt was pretty one-note - and that was his main virtue! - but BB wasn't really interested in moral ambiguities the way BCS is shaping up to be.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 23:18 (nine years ago) link
'Walt was pretty one-note - and that was his main virtue! - but BB wasn't really interested in moral ambiguities the way BCS is shaping up to be.'
I don't even know how to answer this
― iatee, Friday, 20 March 2015 23:33 (nine years ago) link
IDGI either, the show is doing something vv different from BB, even if it's using some of the same visual language and is technically set in the same universe. It's primarily going for pathos and humor as opposed to tension (as opposed to the other way around), for starters.
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Friday, 20 March 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
anyway another issue w/ the show is that it kinda boxed itself in w/ the timeline - some stuff is gonna happen, jimmy will become saul, but there's kinda only so much that can happen. it's really hard to imagine this lasting for 5 seasons and not because 'it's not good' but just because we already now where it ends and it's not a particularly exciting place.
if it had been a sequel it would probably be harder to sell it as 'a different show' but the writers would have a lot more room to go wild w/ the character and locations.
― iatee, Friday, 20 March 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link
It's primarily going for pathos and humor as opposed to tension (as opposed to the other way around), for starters.
yeah but the pathos and humor is exactly the same pathos and humor that the character had when he was on a show called breaking bad
― iatee, Friday, 20 March 2015 23:41 (nine years ago) link
if they really wanted to make a real break w/ breaking bad they shoulda put it in another city and not brought back mike as a lead
yeah: also not brought back Saul, and called it Better Call Saul
big mistake there, I bet they feel embarrassed
― oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Friday, 20 March 2015 23:53 (nine years ago) link
No there is def a different level of pathos to saul on this show
― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 23:57 (nine years ago) link
He was never shown wrestling w his conscience on BB
― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 23:58 (nine years ago) link
re: the timeline, I may eat my words later but I'm willing to bet the series catches us up to a certain point and then leapfrogs to after the events of BB
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Saturday, 21 March 2015 00:02 (nine years ago) link
(I mean, it kinda HAS to at some point, given he flashforward that opens the series, but I'm hoping it does it significantly before the end of its run)
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Saturday, 21 March 2015 00:03 (nine years ago) link
they probably don't feel embarrassed cause they were cool w/ the fact that a show w/ the same writers, producers, actors and characters, set in the same city was gonna end up a lot like breaking bad
― iatee, Saturday, 21 March 2015 00:03 (nine years ago) link