Subways are for sleeping: NYC Transit survival thread

God willing the shitty "off-peak" cut-backs won't really affect me until November, when I stop biking for the year. That $103 unlimited is going to SUCKAGE, though.

taxing the alternative, driving into the city, will increase farebox revenue as well as subsidising the service so it is a double win. Yes the MTA is dubious but it seems the only way they can get funded is by playing chicken with Albany.

let's secede from NYS

Wasn't it outer borough dems that boned you on this one.

taxing the alternative, driving into the city, will increase farebox revenue as well as subsidising the service so it is a double win. Yes the MTA is dubious but it seems the only way they can get funded is by playing chicken with Albany.

― Prince of Persia (Ed), Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:40 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

or like they could manage the resources they have better

They're just looking for reasons to complain that they should have been allowed to make another six fortunes by selling all the space over their switching/storage yards to the highest bidder, regardless of what that would mean for everyone else's quality of life.

i'm shocked at the general level of morality and decency on the comments section of that nytimes piece about the fare hikes. shocked!

why exactly is congestion charging and/or east river bridge tolling an "ass idea", ice cr?m?

theyre regressive taxes

i believe in letting things flow not billionaire mayor fiddle faddle

let's secede from NYS

― Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:47 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

btw ive been advocating this move for years

1) they could be crudely means-tested, i.e. if you receive medicare or medicaid you get a deal
2) they discourage car use leading to:
2a) less emissions
2b) higher average speeds in the city
3) the money can go directly to public transit, which benefits primarily the middle and working class

there's no commuter tax?!? wtf, I paid one pre-'92 from NJ.

imo its control freak anti city thinking - if u want to drive in the city fine go ahead it will be slow

the means testing seems like some serious pie in the sky shit - remind me do the do that w/the gw bridge toll

as far as earmarking funds thats a classic switchero theyll just take it out somewhere else - that shit w/the state ripping fools off through the lottery then saying look it goes towards schools drives me crazy - it doesnt go toward schools it goes into a pot called the state budget

if u can reduce emissions thats cool - obv it wouldnt be enough to affect our global environmental problems but maybe itd be enough to cut down on some of our local air quality issues i dont know

either way this approach seems overly punitive and regressive - how abt encouraging people to drive less by make public transportation better and cheaper - reduce emissions through encouraging more efficient cars

should be noted too that tolls create congestion greater emissions a traffic accidents

congestion pricing requires no physical in-car toll collection, it can all be done with cameras and credit cards

the way to make public transportation better is by raising average traffic speeds in the city - buses are a big part of public transport and if driving is slow, buses are slow

you wouldn't even have to means-test it - if the funds stayed in the transport budget and went towards more buses, subway maintenance, etc that is a direct transfer of money to the working class

taxis would obv get a break

hybrid cars and other green cars would get a break

sorta crazy that in the middle of a national financial emergency, skyrocketing unemployment numbers and general recession, all of which require massive government spending preferably on infrastructure, the city of new york is cutting services and raising fares - although i guess that's what happens when republicans block federal aid to the states

btw that just wiped out my payroll tax reduction

tracer buses dont count as they are nothing but purveyors of depression and disease - not sure how many times i have to explain this to u

they are important purveyors for late-night travel after sexin

YES WE CAN, ice cr?m

i've never had sex on a bus

btw if congestion pricing really led to a long term improvement in public transportation id grudgingly support it even tho i philosophically disagree w/its approach - id much rather see an acknowledgment that public transpo is a worthwhile thing to spend tax money on

city should replace all buses w/trams - trams are rad imo

also i want some BULLET TRAINS up in this bitch asap

You can have my city buses when you pry them outta my cold, dead, fuck you, guy. Buses have made my social life possible on many occasions.

jet packs are the only real solution

trams scare the fuck outta me.. so silent.. so heavy

but laurel srsly more subways would be better right - u cant tell me u like stopping every three blocks and then waiting while some old lady drags her ass up the steps then waiting at a red light - also on the bus theres always at least one guy crying blood which is pretty weird

yes but aside from 2nd Ave subway, new subways will come when we are all dead.

(if then)

Pretty sure the bus would be more awesome if some guy were crying blood instead of just eleventy old ladies with their grocery shopping being on the bus, jho.

And "more subways" will NEVER be a substitute for buses because buses use the same infrastructure as cars and the routes can be altered over time, whereas subways require huge stand-alone investment. Buses will always be decades ahead of trains in terms of reaching outskirts of any metro area; tbh the trains may never catch up at all, if the bus systems work for people over time.

xp yah what Morbs said.

tracer buses dont count as they are nothing but purveyors of depression and disease - not sure how many times i have to explain this to u

― ice cr?m, Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:19 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

are you just talking about buses in Manhattan? cause many brooklyn buses work quite well and quickly (hello B61)

Yeah, I hear good things abt the B61. Also I adore the B48 like my own mother, and the B65 is pretty useful too.

http://scoopsnoodle.com/bus/CrosstownEnnui.jpg

obv fuk a bus in manhattan until age 125.

i know this pod car shit will never work but its quite adorable anyway and the idea of going anywhere in the system w/o transferring is amazing http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/10/personal-pod--1.html

ive been known to fuck w/ the b26 and the b46--i never liked buses but w/ the recent jay st. to utica debacle i have been taking the bus more often & it sort of rules

http://www.c-we.com/piranha/sleeper1.jpg

the pod would be great, apart from the vast quantities of various bodily fluids that would quickly accumulate in every single one

i mean that is basically like "subways: now with even more masturbation"

lol wired magazine

so these pods' big selling point over mass transit is "privacy" and "security"? since when were those actual issues for people trying to get to work??

whenever i think of wired magazine i think of "smart drinks". it is basically just the gizmo section of playboy with 6000 extra words of pop-psych justification.

Blame 'Gang of Three' traitors - Carl Kruger, Ruben Diaz Sr. and Pedro Espada - for MTA fare hike

i've been taking buses every saturday in 2009 pretty much, what with the constant delays & trackwork on the Q, not to mention the weekends where the L was only running between brooklyn & manhattan every fifteen minutes. I leave my house later, take the bus, and get to work earlier. B48 is my fave--in fact two or more of my recent Laurel=spottings have been while on, getting off, or waiting for the bus. Hi Laurel!

also the mta can go fuck itself and i promise this is the spring i fix my bike.

i took the b48 after our trade the other night, great experience, dropped me off right near the b26, took about as long, if not shorter, than it would have taken for me to take the S to the C

the S!!

the S within Brooklyn no less. b48 is classic latenight williamsburg -> pros. heights transit.

there's no commuter tax?!? wtf, I paid one pre-'92 from NJ.

No, there still is. Live in NJ, work in NYC, you pay some X% new york city income tax, in addition to your NJ state tax and NY state tax. Dumb.

uh-uh. it was repealed in 1999. bloomberg has tried to reinstate it, but hasn't been able to.

trams scare the fuck outta me.. so silent.. so heavy

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:34 (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I've been trying to a find a list of famous people killed by trams but other than Gaudi, I got nothing.

probably a coverup by the influential tram lobby