1. curry2. beard3. cp34. bron5. brow6. juiceman
― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Thursday, 2 April 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link
sometimes i wonder how playing in the western conference might affect lebron's stature/legacy
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link
I honestly think about that pretty often, it will def be something that's talked about re: the scope of lebron's career after he's retired, that he spent his entire career dominating a weak conference
― Clay, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
it helps his legacy to be a Z-time champion
― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link
prob wouldve had a couple fewer finals appearances but for most of his career the imbalance wasnt nearly as strong as it is rn
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
like for this season for my hypothetical MVP vote i just couldn't countenance giving him a vote over curry/harden/paul, players leading their teams to equal or better records who play in a conference that is 10x tougher
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
stats vs west conf actually lil better than vs east
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/splits/
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:10 (nine years ago) link
teams still play over a third of their games against the other conference u guys know
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:10 PM (1 minute ago)
yeah and the cavs have dominated the west in the 2nd half iirc but the other games matter too
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
bron doesnt deserve the mvp because he a. stopped playing defense b. is not as good at offense as he once was
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:11 PM (3 minutes ago)
playing 1/3 vs 2/3 against a much tougher conference is a huge difference, tho as mentioned bron has played well against the west
part of this is about this year's MVP vote but part is about legacy/titles. i mean bron obviously knows as well as anyone playing in the east has helped him
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
cavs 18-12 vs the west
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
― k3vin k., Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:17 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i suspect as far as an individuals stats its prob not that big of a difference
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
i mean much what is much
the five teams who have given up the most points this year are all in the west
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
the east is soooooo bad
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:25 PM (7 minutes ago)
wow advanced stat
context kevin, context
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
only 4 of the bottom 13 teams in point differential are in the west
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
and only 4 of the top 13 are in the east
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
the west is better obvs, but thats not what were talking about, were talking about the mvp award, in which case points allowed per game is prob the more relevant stat in this garbage process, ie bron wld have no problem putting up big numbers in the west
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
yeah except no one cares about points per game anymore
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
thats weird because theres a high coloration between the options in this poll and the nba scoring leaders
http://i.imgur.com/R4i6dbU.png
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
well yes the best players tend to score the most
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
hmmm
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
anyway i'd like to see a stat like PER adjusted for league quality, WAR in baseball does this. RPM does this in a sense too i guess
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
that chart proves chris paul isn't the best player, good point
― polyphonic, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
the one chart that explains why a player whos actually good at every facet of the game is being ignored in favor of a bunch of one dimensional chuckers
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
Players who have enough offensive talent that their teams use them as the first option tend to rise to the top of the list of scoring leaders, but mvps tend to be at least above average defensive players, too. Harden was in the same category as melo in mvp conversations until he tightened up his defense this year. He still won't win it.
Where things get sticky is players like AD, who is great at both ends but gets penalized for his team's poor W-L record.
― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
xp boogie, brow, bron and steph are one dimensional chuckers????
(yes, bron isn't phenomenal defensively but one dimensional seems like a stretch)
― pimento is a cheese, some call it the caviar of the south (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
i notably am not asking said flabbergasted question re: juiceman and harden
bron has picked it up defensively since his trip to biogenesis
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
Harden was in the same category as melo in mvp conversations until he tightened up his defense this year.
― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:11 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post
hes tightened up his D in the sense of mostly no longer stands perfectly still as if under a witches curse not in the doesnt still get constantly get beat on backdoor cuts sense
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:14 (nine years ago) link
steph is gonna win obvs if anyone was wondering
― pimento is a cheese, some call it the caviar of the south (slothroprhymes), Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:12 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well obvs not brow
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
i mean if u want my thoughts on the matter u cn just visit the one true mvp poll ILH MVP 2015
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:14 PM (4 minutes ago)
yeah i don't think it'll be close
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
I don't agree any of those guys are the mvp of the ilh board they barely even post
― polyphonic, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i voted in both to hedge my political bets, like just in case you have a falling out and decide to run against clay rather than with him
― pimento is a cheese, some call it the caviar of the south (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
― k3vin k., Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:19 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i wld perfect to see someone who is dominant on both sides of the ball but i wont be mad at steph cause hes doing things no one ever has before, truly becoming a transcendent offensive player, tho i hope he continues to refine his game on that end cause while hes brilliant hes still maybe a lil uneven, if harden or russ won i wld be mad tho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
Curry has a higher DRPM than Chris Paul
― polyphonic, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
i do not acknowledge that stat
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
imo the sportvu stuff cld be pretty revelatory re quantifying D http://grantland.com/features/department-of-defense
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
i like RPM because i think it's the perfect method, statistically, for determining who the best players are. obv in practice it has its flaws but it's a good starting point. i would bet that the difference between curry and paul on the defensive end has as much to do with their difference in height and the quality of their teammates as it does their actual defensive value
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
i can understand why ppl like the concept of RPM but its results are just so screwy and inconstant from year to year that i cant take it seriously
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
sportVU stuff is cool to see who is good at what specific random stuff. in epidemiology we call these soft outcomes, things that are cool and seem important and related somehow but don't tell you what you really want to know. in basketball you want to know what dudes make their teams score more points than the other teams
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
like hey cody zeller is the 23rd best player in the nba this year!
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
last year he was 294th why is no one talking about this!
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link
like it seeks to decontextualize players from their teams but pretty obviously fails miserably at the task
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
it's obv imperfect but it's the best we have and imo a good starting point. like i said you can assign rough ratings to players and then from there take things on a case by case basis using the eye test or knowledge of how the stats are made to say this dude is too high or too low
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
not the whole game but stretches
― k3vin k., Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:24 (nine years ago) link
wld like to see like the solid last ten mins of a close game
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:26 (nine years ago) link
i mean what if steph gets the mvp then kawhi owns the hell out of him, awkward
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:27 (nine years ago) link
haralabob getting mad @ steph "elite defender" hype rn on twtr
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:30 (nine years ago) link
strauss is a pretty blatant homer. curry is obviously a legendary offensive player and an average defender, nothing wrong with that
― k3vin k., Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:32 (nine years ago) link
its not just strauss
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:40 (nine years ago) link
calling steph an 'elite defender' is hyped-up nonsense, but he's not a matador defender or anything that bad. and he is this season's mvp. if steph doesn't have it locked down by now the mvp voters have shit for brains.
― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Sunday, 12 April 2015 04:58 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 13 April 2015 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 00:01 (nine years ago) link
it's not really fair but now that the rockets aren't going to have home court in the first round i think harden has zero chance
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 April 2015 00:09 (nine years ago) link
results are right and just imo, some brow presence would be great but his snub is a sad yet foregone conclusion in the IRL voting so I'm assuming we went in with the same thinking here
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 00:11 (nine years ago) link
Westbrook voters out yourselves
― Clay, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 00:27 (nine years ago) link
I voted for harden two weeks ago but would shift that over to Steph today, I have been justly convinced
― Clay, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 00:28 (nine years ago) link
i don't think brow in any way shape or form deserves the MVP
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 April 2015 00:29 (nine years ago) link
BROW GOAT
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 02:28 (nine years ago) link
grantland's hot takes on eoy awardshttp://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-awards-ballot-part-1-in-praise-of-the-individual/
― #wegonnabechampionship (Spottie), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
most of the picks are pretty reasonable imo altho i disagree re: 6 man because #homer
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
grantland obv cribbed their mvp ballot from my list upthread
― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link
low's top 5 is my exact top 5
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link