Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

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I don't get it has the internet destroyed all history or do these people need to go back to school and learn about the history of power structures?

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link

It's a mixture of ignorance and cynical disingenuousness but I'm not sure of the ratio.

More Fetid Than Fêted (Old Lunch), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link

It makes sense from a corporate/state standpoint. Hype up the influence of the media over people while simultaneously deflecting any blame for the results of its actions (like running violent murders on daytime TV) or the actions of the powers it represents. It's probably a tactic developed by insurance adjusters.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link

These people are astounded at the destruction of private property rather than real violence done to humans because to them money is more valuable than human life.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link

From how people talk, I don't think they see it as money vs humanity? I think they see the money/property part as the result of someone's else's hard work & success, a person who must have "followed the rules" to get where they are, who must deserve their success. And now that store or those items are now synonymous with that person? Are imbued with their deservingness? So attacking their...holdings? Possessions? Is the same as attacking their person.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link

can we call this phenomenon "Ozymandius by proxy"

DJP, Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link

Well, and people who have to work at that store or fill their prescriptions there.

a mad urea nub (how's life), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link

uh I think its because some people dont consider the people rioting to be 'humans' like they are

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link

Well, and people who have to work at that store or fill their prescriptions there.

Yeah but honestly if the those who talk shit about "riots and looting" actually cared about the people who work in the stores or live in low-income and primarily Black communities, they'd be showing that in how they live, vote, and talk about other issues as well. Concern trolling about how seniors will fill their prescriptions is just a convenient angle for them to use to respectability-shame Black people and discredit popular uprising.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link

^^^

DJP, Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link

I want to like the last in orbit post a hundred times

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link

I'd like to think that a lot of it is actual concern, rather than concern trolling, but no doubt a lot ddrddddddddddddddddddddd666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666t6 t 6666 y

a mad urea nub (how's life), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link

A rain drop fell on my phone and hit submit post for me.

a mad urea nub (how's life), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:14 (nine years ago) link

post interrupted by passing satan train

Karl Malone, Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:14 (nine years ago) link

I was concerned that someone burned down the drugstore where you get your medication.

More Fetid Than Fêted (Old Lunch), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link

Posted by someone going by "djes bellesharpe" on fb the other day and now widely shared. Fuck me but I want to like THIS a hundred times:

in the LA riots in 92, it was essential to have a sign that read "BLACK OWNED" if you didn't want your business torched. sometimes even that wasn't enough.

after the riots had been going for a while, my mom and i had been following on the news, she says to me "wanna go watch?" and i said yeah so we drove to south central and...it's weird how beautiful it was...i know that's strange to say but it's like how caged animals will sometimes take to chewing at themselves or pacing in circles and will leave the most beautiful, horrible markings on their bodies and the paths they've carved. how could i enjoy something so painful, like an elephant driven mad by captivity drawing a perfect figure eight in the sand until he walked himself to death or a city, burning, destroyed by its own citizens? it made sense to me somehow and i felt bad about it then but...

...take this: in 1992, riots happened in los angeles because of the excessive force used by los angeles police officers against rodney king and the lax handling of the situation by the judicial system. fast forward 23 years and riots are happening, again, but not because a black man was brutally beaten on camera by white police officers for speeding in a hyundai ("speeding in a hyundai", just let that sink in) and received a lackluster version justice, but now because a long list of black men, women and children (not to even mention the list of non-black people who've experienced this abuse) have been brutalized and even killed by white and non-black police officers and citizens, all over the country, on and off camera for things like "looking suspicious," "knocking on a stranger's door to report an accident," "attempting to report being the victim of a rape," "selling loose cigarettes" or "resisting arrest," a crime that has in recent months and years been elevated such that it no longer deserves a brain and rib crushing baton beating by as many cops as possible but has now earned the penalty of death, on the spot, no questions asked, "i don't fucking care if you can't breathe, you shouldn't have run."

sounds like something a slave master would say.

so we were there, then, and now, we're here. i don't see that our problem of police brutality against marginalized people and especially black men is some thing that has gotten worse and now it's really bad. no. it's been this way, black people have been unjustly handled, abused and murdered at the hands of police officers since the jim crow era. that is a fact. so it's not that the police are more brutal than ever against black men, they are as brutal as ever and thanks to technology and media, we can now see exactly how brutal they are and have been.

i watched the police separately beat both my uncles on the lawn of my grandmother's house in the 80s for "resisting," 4 to 1, batons blazing until they stopped moving. in both instances the limp bodies of my uncles were hog-tied and tossed in the back of cop cars, barely conscious and lumped up like boxers. for resisting arrest, that was a normal thing. my stepbrother was shot and killed by police in the fox hills mall in 1997, he was 19, unarmed and later found to have something like 11 bullets in his armpits, which can only happen in you are shot with your arms in the air. he had no record and was shot on the grounds that he looked like a wanted man (read: he looked black). my mother was suspected of gang activity for driving at dusk with no headlights. smart woman, she drove all the way home before pulling over. she was never given the chance to explain that we were missing spark plugs and couldn't roll down the windows, turn on the radio or put on the headlights; i watched from the window as two police officers shone brights and held guns on my mother, ordering her on loud speakers from a car length away to get out of the car and lie down on the ground. they cuffed and frisked her in her work clothes, she tore her pantyhose which was the part that made me cry...and they made her remain face down on the ground and searched her car. she came inside the house sobbing with that terrible mask of makeup washed in tears and snot, her work clothes all dirty from lying in the street. when she hugged me she said "at least they didn't shoot me, thank you jesus they didn't shoot me." over and over and leaked tears onto me. a woman from our church had been shot and killed by a police officer a month before for reaching for her license. her two babies were in the baby seat.

so. you ask me what i see when i watch a city burn...i see a beautiful thing and i no longer care how fucked up that may sound. this is war, war is what made us citizens of this country and war is the only thing we know to keep that, because we haven't elevated ourselves and neither have our oppressors and opponents.

let's say i go into a random home and take a child from its mother. i kill that child. the mom watches and does nothing. i leave. nothing ever happens to me.

there's something wrong with that story, right?

i watched this video last night: a lion had killed a baby giraffe so the mama giraffe walks over to where the lions are and stomps one of the lions to death. i watched another video, lions had caught a baby wildebeest and were attempting to eat it when the entire pack of wildebeests returned, corned the lions and one by one chased and prodded them with horns until they got the baby wildebeest back, all injured and bloody but able to walk back to the protection of the herd. in another video a lion had a zebra by the snout in about a foot of water, the zebra fought and turned until the lion's head was underwater, choking the lion of air until escape was possible.

you see something like that you say "go giraffe!! stomp that lion for killing your baby!!" or "yeah, if i was a wildebeest, that's what i'd do if lions took my baby." or "i would fight to the death, just like that zebra."

but you don't like riots.

"well, we have a justice system, we're not animals."

1. you're an animal, just like any other and no better with your upright walking, thumbs, complex written language, math and consciousness of self. none of that makes you special, you get born and die just like the wildebeests, when hurt you seek justice just like the giraffes, if in danger you fight and run just like the zebra, you are just a fancy hairless monkey. but that's another argument.

2. if you shoot me 8 times in the back as i run away, you are hunting me, you are treating me like an animal and i don't ever get to see the justice system or anything akin to a sense of justice. all i see is darkness, because i'm dying. you've taken my life and being that you cannot give it back and i had no chance to fight for it or show that i have a right to it, there is no possibility of justice.

you show me a list of hundreds of black men killed by the police and hundreds more abused by the same, a force whose sole purpose is the protection of citizens, you show me broadly acknowledged and unchecked murder, i say there had better be a fucking riot. for my part, i'm a little let down that more people aren't setting shit on fire. i'm still not over trayvon. so you ask me how i feel about a burning city? what is the point of a black owned business in a city where black people are voiceless, unrepresented and liable to be shot at random just for living? if the city can't protect its citizens, i say let that city burn. and not out of spite or race hate or any sense of righteousness, but because the function of a city is the protection of its citizens. failing that, i'd rather raze it to ashes than let it carry forth in negligence. perhaps that is extreme but so is the number of black people murdered by police since it was written into law that we are citizens of this nation. i'm over being cute about the fact that the civil rights movement and its problems never ended, only grew and changed. america was built on hatred of black people. it's been centuries, generations now that people in america of the african diaspora have toiled under this weight. it was one thing then to treat us this way when the law said we were slaves and the violence was openly acknowledged. the law says we all, regardless of race or any other separating abstraction, have rights. so now there is this plague of violence and the oppressors will not even own it, will not even confess their bigotry and the lack of justice in this system? WE HAVE VIDEO OF YOU REPEATEDLY MURDERING US BUT STILL, YOU WON'T CALL IT MURDER? you say not "we will work to stop killing you" but "please stop videotaping us while we kill you, it makes us look bad"?

paint yourself some "BLACK OWNED" signs and expect more riots. ‪#‎sorrynotsorry‬

we have well passed a conversation about right or wrong at this point. if i hurt you, it is your job to scream. if i hold you down, it is your job to fight me. if you have no voice and you are going without, it is your job to find some way to make some noise that let's your position be known, even if that means setting your own house on fire. at this point, those people are just doing their jobs.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link

It is almost as if the a way to reach corporate-run state and media is through economic violence.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link

While society was grappling with bringing former slaves into U.S society, the power and influence of corporations was also on the rise. While very few people were turning their
attention and energy to bringing former slaves into society – indeed, far more energy was being put into NOT bringing them into society – corporations were using a great deal of their wealth to hire lawyers to advance their interests in the courts. The Fourteenth Amendment offered an opportunity to advance corporate interests, and the corporate attorneys set out to exploit it.

Of the 150 cases involving the Fourteenth Amendment heard by the Supreme Court up to the Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 that established the legal standing of “separate but equal,” 15
involved blacks and 135 involved business entities.
The scope of the Fourteenth Amendment to secure the political rights of former slaves was so restricted by the Supreme Court that blacks won only one case. The expansive view of the Fourteenth Amendment that comes down to Constitutional Law classes today is the result of corporations using the Fourteenth Amendment
as a shield against regulation. Ultimately the Plessy decision left Jim Crow laws, state laws discriminating against blacks, in place because of doctrines developed in those corporate shield cases.

Emphasis mine. To provide historical context irt the corporate owned media.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link

thank you, io

sleeve, Thursday, 30 April 2015 22:40 (nine years ago) link

great post, in orbit. and the bellesharpe text was also well worth reading, thank you.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 1 May 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link

Press conference by Mosby happening now: all six officers being criminally charged in the Freddie Grey case. Homicide.

klonman, Friday, 1 May 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link

shiiiiiit

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 1 May 2015 15:00 (nine years ago) link

Manslaughter too:

The state attorney of Baltimore, in a unexpected announcement, said Friday that she had probable cause to file homicide, manslaughter and misconduct charges against the police officers in the death of Freddie Gray, who was died after sustaining a spinal cord injury while in police custody.

In a news conference Friday, the state attorney, Marilyn J. Mosby, said that the death of Mr. Gray had been ruled a homicide and the police had been negligent in his death.

“We have probable cause to file criminal charges,” Ms. Mosby said. As Ms. Mosby spoke outside the War Memorial here, dozens of police officers dressed in riot gear stood nearby.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link

I'm getting a lil emotional thinking about 1) the fact that the officers were charged but 2) the very long road ahead

All I can say rn is go Mosby

, Friday, 1 May 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link

incredible

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 May 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link

btw, in NYC our ex-Sandinista mayor has learned his lesson and sez the #1 concern protestors should have is "listen to the police"

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 May 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link

xps I wanna say "finally" but yeah there is a long road ahead

sleeve, Friday, 1 May 2015 15:41 (nine years ago) link

“To the people of Baltimore and the demonstrators across America, I heard your call for ‘no justice, no peace,’” Ms. Mosby said. “Your peace is sincerely needed as I work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man, those that are angry or hurt or have their own experience of injustice.”

As she ran for office last fall, Ms. Mosby vowed to be tougher on violent criminals and also more aggressive on police misconduct. People like Tawanda Jones, whose brother Tyrone West was killed after a violent scuffle with police, campaigned forcefully for her — in part, Ms. Jones said, to get rid of her predecessor, Gregg L. Bernstein.

“I would have been a supporter of anybody to get him out of that chair,” Ms. Jones, who has been protesting police treatment of black men here since her brother died, said in an interview. “I was trying to get anybody that would take this seriously.” She said that after watching Ms. Mosby, she became convinced that she would.

“I’m so happy, I’m so excited I can’t stop crying,” Ms. Jones said Friday, moments after Ms. Mosby’s announcement, which she saw on television while working at the preschool where she teaches.

“She gave us her word. I said, ‘How will you handle police brutality?’ She said, ‘If you put me in this chair, I don’t care if they are in uniform or not. I come from a family of officers. Some are good, some are bad, I will hold everybody accountable to the law.’ And thank you, Jesus, she lived it out.”

feel like this is some kind of national turning point, to have a prosecutor do/say these things and have this background. at least, I hope it is.

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 May 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link

FOP calling for appointment of a special prosecutor due to possible conflicts of interest: "your personal and professional relationship with the Gray family attorney, William Murphy and the lead prosecutor's connections with members of the local media." I sincerely hope she is able to run them the fuck off.

how's life, Friday, 1 May 2015 17:12 (nine years ago) link

fuck the FOP

horseshoe, Friday, 1 May 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link

there is nothing in history like the archives of human vileness that social media will bequeath to the study of future generations

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 1 May 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link

well, the turkey sandwich I just ate is pretty vile

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link

let's keep things in perspective here

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 May 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link

idk, i mean, for every despicable thing ppl have wrought upon the world it is a salve to the humane mind to point to the leaders and say it was those headcases what done it and so retain some basic faith in the species but that kind of consolation is hard to muster if you have access to the diary of every cunt who cheered along

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 1 May 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link

wrong place and time. just upsetting

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 1 May 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link

@FOP_DC_LODGE · 6h
I want to let everyone know that Police Week 2015 is NOT cancelled! Please share this so we can stop this rumor. Please retweet.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 May 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link

btw w/ all the "racist" accusations flying around social media... do we even know the races of the cops who have been indicted? a significant % of baltimore's police force is black, so it wouldn't be surprising if several of the officers involved were black (indeed, IIRC, at least one in the video is).

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 1 May 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link

I'm sure the BPD will be tweeting out their mugshots any second now

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 May 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link

i mean, it doesn't really matter. but it's like it hadn't occurred to some of these social-media trolls.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 1 May 2015 20:51 (nine years ago) link

er, to be clear, I'm talking about the reactionary assholes who are saying that the prosecutor is "racist" for bringing indictments against the cops.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 1 May 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link

haha that was definitely NOT clear

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 May 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link

!!

i know, i realized that after i made those posts. yikes.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 1 May 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link

apologies for just dumping this link randomly without any discussion, but has the Killed By Police site been discussed here before?

http://killedbypolice.net/

of course, the cases on there are not necessarily race-related and maybe in some cases those deaths were somehow justified, even though I rarely agree with the police killing *anyone*

F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 1 May 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link

heated "discussion" is my poly-sci class on wednesday revolved around a white guy in the class yelling at the rest of the students (the vast majority of whom are non-white) about how
a) the protests are predominantly apolitical people looking for an excuse to riot
b) it's racist of us to presume he's white
c) freddie gray had a preexisting back injury

several students walked out while this was going on. it was fucking awful. i'm still upset about it. don't know what's going to happen at the next class meeting but hopefully he's too embarrassed to show up.

sorry just had to vent. never experienced this bullshit in a classroom before.

brimstead, Friday, 1 May 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link

he had a confrontational "come at me bro" demeanor the whole time.

brimstead, Friday, 1 May 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link


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