Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

i am just here to judge people's teaching choices.

and hate on the FOP

Fuck the FOP.

Bail has been set for the officers charged in Freddie Gray's death. | Bail for Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr.-- charged with Second degree depraved heart murder, Manslaughter, Assault/second degree , Manslaughter by vehicle, and Misconduct in office was set at $350,000 | bail for Officer Edward M. Nero--charged with Assault/second degree , assault/second degree, Misconduct in office and false imprisonment was set at $250,0000 | bail for Officer William G. Porter-- charged with Manslaughter, Assault/second degree and Misconduct in office was set at $350,000 | bail for Lt. Brian W. Rice-- charged with Manslaughter, assault/second degree, misconduct in office and false imprisonment was set at $350,000 | bail for Officer Garrett E. Miller-- charged with Assault/second degree, misconduct in office and false imprisonment was set at $250,000 | bail for Sgt. Alicia D. White--charged with manslaughter, assault/second degree and misconduct in office was set at $350,000.

Sorry about the formatting. Copying from a FB post. Just wanted to note that $350K seems a little low for depraved heart murder

professors let shit like that get out of control way too often.

to be fair (and speaking as a teacher), it can be difficult. you want students to feel comfortable speaking up, and you need to give them a little leeway to say inaccurate or misguided things (since otherwise, undergraduates would be a pretty quiet bunch…). of course, it’s also important to keep discussion civil and not allow anyone to command the floor too long, and to correct bad ideas and information. but figuring out — in real time — the precise moment when you need to step in can be difficult. every teacher has had days where they go home and beat themselves up over not stepping in sooner to redirect/refocus a classroom discussion.

yes OTM. I taught a class this semester in which Wikileaks, Snowden, and the murder of Iraqis at the hands of private American militias played an essential role. The trouble came from students as liberal as I who wanted to bait. Questions like, "Professor, doesn't this prove that Americans just like murdering Arabs?" (and there are ROTC students in this class). I hesitate a few seconds before answering, usually. To that one I responded, "Well, X, I'm looking forward to your proving this is true in your capstone project."

the one time i called out a student strongly and immediately was when one made disparaging remarks about the homeless people who panhandle on campus. i basically called him an insensitive bigot, because there wasn't really ambiguity about it, and he needed to hear it. to be fair, he seemed pretty chastened, as if he'd never thought about it before.

i basically pointed out that it's a inexcusable thing to put down people who are already incredibly disadvantaged in relation to you, and that he needs to do some thinking about why he would feel entitled to do such a thing.

anyway. just thinking about that guy makes me mad, still.

understandable, but try to forgive his common youthful ignorance

or not *shrugs*

Maybe point out that other factors could be involved, such as apocalyptic unemployment levels.

words can hurt, maybe you should have just kicked him in the nuts

I can't blame you for your reaction, but I do know having positive or even healthy attitudes towards the homeless is difficult at a younger age, when you're more naive and black/white about things, but ESPECIALLY when you have parents who tell you never to give money to homeless people because they're going to spend it on alcohol, like mine did.

I kind of ignored mine and would give money anyway (although admittedly I am very anxious about being approached in public by anybody, homeless or not), but no doubt there's a lot of kids who get taught from a young age these guys are social parasites and it takes them until college to learn otherwise.

though I think your method of delivery is probably a vehicle for them to learn. I know having a lot of my beliefs challenged in a provocative way like that is what led me to more closely examine things that I'd previously thought were unassailable gospel and change my mind on them. If his feelings were hurt for five minutes, maybe it's worth it if he winds up critically thinking and adopting an opinion that doesn't indirectly lead to homeless people feeling more like lower-class citizens than they already do.

almost anything even slightly good is worth hurting a college kid's feelings for five minutes. in fact the good might be inherent.

but yeah your entire civilization tells you homeless people are parasitic scum whose condition is proof of their lack of discipline, so.

also one's parents tend to not have any idea how shit is. at the height of the recession when i'd been looking for a job for months and months and was only alive because my parents were paying for me they visited me in portland and my dad told a panhandler to get a job and i almost pushed him into a bus.

the shit that irks me is that my dad still has this "fuck you" attitude when he's unemployed RIGHT NOW (and has lost three jobs in the last TWO YEARS), has borrowed money from me for 15 years (and owes me 3k). but I guess it's not a handout if it's from your kid.

Slim Charles in front of city hall just now: "the harbor's pretty. Let's fix the hood up."

also one's parents tend to not have any idea how shit is. at the height of the recession when i'd been looking for a job for months and months and was only alive because my parents were paying for me they visited me in portland and my dad told a panhandler to get a job and i almost pushed him into a bus.

would the panhandler have got your back?

bail was lower for suspect cops than it is for rioters who damaged stuff

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-what-is-next-for-officers-20150501-story.html

because jesus said private property is more important than human life, or benghazi, or something

also one's parents tend to not have any idea how shit is. at the height of the recession when i'd been looking for a job for months and months and was only alive because my parents were paying for me they visited me in portland and my dad told a panhandler to get a job and i almost pushed him into a bus.

jesus fuck, did everybody fail statistics class...how does something like THIS get 11k likes (obv rhetorical question, I know our populace is fucking stupid)

http://i58.tinypic.com/ezqt8n.png

impressive stat if we ignore the 189 million more white people and this concept called "proportions". or the fact that there are no official 'police homicide' statistics nationwide (the closest thing is FBI records of justifiable homicide which only account for about 1/4th of estimated homicides) and almost all of them are estimates compiled independently by separate organizations.

i think it was saul bellow who said “a great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep"

"unreported race"

To that one I responded, "Well, X, I'm looking forward to your proving this is true in your capstone project."

ha this is a great response (& effective i'm sure)

Holy fucking Christ! US police killed 1111 people in a single year?!

they were no angels

o hai Dershowitz decided to weigh in: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Freddie-Gray-Alan-Dershowitz-police-charges/2015/05/01/id/642143/

cockfarmer

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/05/freddie-gray-baltimore-police-brian-rice?CMP=share_btn_fb

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/11/cop-shoots-homeowner-south-carolina_n_7260830.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/05/olympia_police_shooting.html#incart_river

Brelo :(

yep

as they say, We'll See

The Cleveland Police Department, which has become a flash point in the racially charged debate over police tactics, has agreed to follow some of the most exacting standards in the nation over how and when its officers can use force, and will accept close oversight to make sure those rules are not ignored, city and federal officials said Tuesday.

The agreement is part of a settlement with the Justice Department over what federal officials have called a pattern of unconstitutional policing and abuse in Cleveland. The Justice Department found that police officers here used stun guns inappropriately, punched and kicked unarmed people, and shot at people who posed no threat. The incidents often went unreported and uninvestigated, investigators found.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/us/cleveland-police-accept-use-of-force-rules-in-justice-dept-deal.html

yeah, what happens when they don't meet these standards will be the test

judging by how it's gone in oakland, they might see some improvement in about ten years.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/7/71/587596/judge-wont-seal-photo-cpd-cops-posing-african-american-man-antlers

Herbert also compared the photo to an episode of “Seinfeld” in which Jerry is wrongly accused of picking his nose.

He even questioned whether the guns were really broomsticks carved to look like weapons.

fuck those guys

jesus fuck, reset humanity

in the grand scheme of things, Lynndie England is a worse human being than these guys, but fuck them anyway

well at least one of them's in prison for 12 years

sad lol at note about dashboard cam footage at the bottom

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/william-chapman-unarmed-shot-dead

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh5s2AGdGAx8GKBZxe

:D

tl;dr: heather macdonald of the manhattan institute is a cheap liar

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/02/ferguson-crime-wave_n_7494372.html

Wow, that is really loathsome. Would love to see if there's any response from the WaPo or author, but figure this will just get swept aside as a matter of 'subjective interpretation' or something.

And of course there are whole other essays to be written on the jump from ''there's this (actually fictitious) crime wave'' to ''well it's probably because protestors made everybody mad at the police.'' I mean, the sinister intentions of that 'argument/ are apparent, but it doesn't even make sense in crazytown: someone robs a gas station or kills their spouse, well, probably it's because some agitators stirred them up against the police. What? Does the Washington Post even have editors?

no, just Amazon interns

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/tamir-rice-shooting-investigation-moves-to-cuyahoga-county-prosecutors-office?fd

i wasn't expecting anything different but still