I do but it's fucking awful
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
(that said, unless a new audio format emerges, mp3 files are pretty easy to transfer for as long as you're willing to transfer hard drives, it's not like you have to deal with compatibility unless you're in the realm of, like, realaudio)
but that's the thing - we're talking about decades of evolution in computer tech, from an industry that's fond of changing your drives, formats, etc
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
basically my point is that if you wanna keep that whitensake album handy i might consider hunting down a physical copy rather than transferring that mp3 throughout the decades
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link
forgive the obvious but in simple terms of access to music we're all kind of ignoring the elephant in the room that is torrenting; that's the most likely way to find the hypothetical non-remastered whitesnake album and anything else that disappears into the copyright ether. it's the only pseudo-service that has shown longevity and consistency.or more to the point, it seems likely that (barring an unknowable gestalt shift) any music that is widely available now will never become unavailable, it's just likely to become commercially / legally unavailable. that may be a "yeah doi" comment for most, but for those of us who remember a time before the internet it matters.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link
thing about torrenting is that like any form of piracy, it's heavily beholden to what the torrenters and people torrenting actually like. going back to high school desperately trying to find more than one track off (for instance) a sandra record is not my idea of access to music. not to mention the document I keep that keeps growing of things that you simply cannot find online anymore. they're gone, they're over, maybe someone will join the world of the internet or someone, hopefully you, will find a CD in a haystack
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
the latest entry on that doc, btw, is -- in the kind of irony that gobstops me that it even exists - "god saves the internet," a pro-net neutrality track recorded by kay hanley, michelle lewis and jill sobule
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
I would love to see that list in some form
― sleeve, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
private trackers unlock a lot of that stuff kat... but your point is certainly valid: there's lots of stuff out there that is inaccessible for general access or requires crazy hunting to find. But less that there's ever been in any other time in history!
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:13 (eight years ago) link
the day I am both financially solvent enough to afford and sociopathic enough to even consider hiring a private investigator to track down a fucking mp3 is the day I need to join a convent or something
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:22 (eight years ago) link
as for "less than there's ever been in any other time in history" that's inherently untrackable. I mean, probably it is, but we really have no way of knowing, let alone knowing what it'll be like 20 years from now
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:23 (eight years ago) link
Private trackers are generally run by private investigators, it's true.
― Position Position, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:28 (eight years ago) link
apologies, I misread, I don't actually torrent anything
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
that said, from what I know of private link-sharing communities and the like, they are very unlikely to have significant overlap with the sort of music I'd be looking for.
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
xxp inherently unprovable maybe but colloquially it rings accurate to my own brief stay on the historymobilethe idea of a premium "song finder" service where you have taskrabbit hunters to hunt down mp3 copies of the obvious and obscure for immediate play sounds like a business plan whose time has come
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link
(xp) yeah, there's a LOT missing from the digital world, everything from doo-wop records that are now owned by this label that bought that label that bought that other label that merged with those other seven labels, none of which gives a rat ass about doo-wop artists whose last minor hit came before anyone who worked for any of those labels was born, to small punk pressings that have never made the leap from vinyl to any digital form, to god knows what else we can't see, because we can't actually see the thing that we can't see. it's amazing to me how many relatively mainstream artists continue to be forgotten by the passing years, internet or no internet.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:33 (eight years ago) link
btw, i am going to look into getting you a copy of god save the internet
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:33 (eight years ago) link
a lot of CDs with pop artists' debuts that were shipped to radio but clearly never took off enough to become ubiquitous, a lot of indie, particularly when not from the US -- I have the vague feeling that either I or my tastes are being made fun of here, but still.
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link
curious now about what music you like that's so obscure that the major private sharing community wouldn't have it. like what.cd isn't complete but of things i want to hear that aren't on spotify they probably have like 75%.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link
do we have a thread for like -- most obscure/hard to find/oop album you have?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
it's not a matter of obscurity, it's a matter of genre. the people who subscribe to these services generally deal either in the music canon or the nerd canon. so if things are like they were back a few years ago (or now, if you try the google track), you can easily find every Bob Dylan and/or DragonForce one-off but not, say, stuff from teen-movie soundtracks or europop or female singer-songwriters who aren't the canonized ones.
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
i think maybe you aren't familiar enough w/ these services. i've found tons of super obscure 60s-70s female singer-songwriter albums.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
yeah, I'm not talking 60s-70s, I'm talking 80s-on
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
the closer in time to now the more likely it's available - give me the name of the most obscure 80s female singer-songwriter you can think of. i'm curious to see if i can find it online.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
(because '60s-'70s female singer-songwriter albums have a place in the canon, they're either laurel canyon-ish or chartdigging finds or margo guryan. but someone like sandra lockwood? that one I DO have -- because someone I knew bought the CD and was kind enough to send me a rip)
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
you may have found a niche to service katherine. time to call the angel investors
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
for fuck's sake, I'm not trying to prove that I am ~*more obscure than you*~ or claim that I am somehow uniquely affected by this, this is just the part of my musical interests that I have to go out looking for in the first place
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
RFI Sandra Lockwood
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
can't find her. she has a last.fm scrobble page which reminds me of the last time i was looking for an album that was super oop and only had one person who had scrobbled it ever. so i contacted them and asked for a copy - success!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
kat, i'm being serious! I'm not really looking for that stuff so it's outside of my purview; i wouldn't notice that it's eroding because i didn't know it was there in the first place. you would almost certainly be a welcome addition on any private torrent for just that reason.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
yeah, sometimes asking people on last.fm works. sometimes they haven't used last.fm in years, just kept it scrobbling away, and don't visit the site let alone answer stuff in their inbox. sometimes it pisses them off, which having been on both sides of this equation I understand
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link
fwiw, i am facebook friends with sobule so i will let you know what i hear
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link
kat i just sent you a webmail
― Mordy, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link
the example I usually bring up in music-canon circles -- and yes, I know I'm repeating myself -- is the tracks from a toni halliday/anka from clan of xymox collaboration that were posted online about a decade ago
― katherine, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link
(those I think might legitimately be gone on her end, it's just a matter of whether an indeterminate number of people downloaded them)
anyway this is getting way off topic
Mordy this is kind of like that:
Acts that are not on Spotify
and
this is the thread where you post the records you have been looking for over many moons unsuccessfully in the hopes that someone reading ilm might be able to help you out for either sexual favors or
― sleeve, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
oops I misread yr question, sorry
― katherine, Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:52 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The biggest single stumbling block for me w/Spotify, which is not Spotify's fault in any way, is my enormous enthusiasm for film scores. This is a genre that lives in a unique licensing tidal zone that ensures CDs go out of print in an eyeblink and legal digital versions either never exist in the first place or disappear without warning. E.G. Jerry Goldsmith is probably the second most famous film composer of all time after Williams and only the scantiest sliver of his stuff exists on Spotify (or emusic or amazon Mp3 etc). (There are dozens and dozens of things there under his artist name but 85% are godawful recreations). (But Morricone, uniquely, is in fantastic shape on Spotify -- there's very few important scores of his you can't hear there).
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
But what the contract doesn’t stipulate is what Sony Music can and will do with the advance money. Does it go into a pot to be divided between Sony Music’s artists, or does the label keep it to itself? According to a music industry source, labels routinely keep advances for themselves.http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8621581/sony-music-spotify-contract
http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8621581/sony-music-spotify-contract
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 23:43 (eight years ago) link
Shocking.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:12 (eight years ago) link
In the wake of Swift’s departure from Spotify, many musicians rallied to her cause, vilifying streaming services that paid a fraction of a penny per play. But this contract makes it clear — the pay per stream rates aren’t the only issue. According to its financial disclosures, the majority of Spotify’s revenue, around 80 percent, has been flowing out the door to the rights holders. "You can’t squeeze blood from a stone," said David Pakman, the former CEO of eMusic and partner at Venrock. "Your beef can’t be with Spotify anymore." At least not with Spotify alone.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:34 (eight years ago) link
tbf the "music industry sources" that The Verge relies on are probably streaming music service guys and not label guys.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:57 (eight years ago) link
they published a copy of the contract
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 01:01 (eight years ago) link
http://www.factmag.com/2015/05/20/new-spotify-now-video-streaming/
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link
Update, 16:21 BST: As you browse content to suit your mood, the new Spotify experience includes video and podcasts – the presentation just showed a Vice News broadcast.
Update, 16:18 BST: Spotify’s VP of user experience Rochelle King has taken to the stage to introduce Spotify’s new playlist feature. It allows you to browse playlists made to match up to the time of day – for example “Morning Commute” or “Evening Commute”.
Update, 16:15 BST: Spotify is introducing a “new Spotify experience” that is “more accessible, personal, and useable than anything in music.”
Update, 16:13 BST: Ek describes a “profound change” in music with discovery and collection happening on our phones. “Soon there will only be listening,” he says.
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
while i'm glad it's coming out how horrible the majors have been re: streaming, "look what horrible-for-you deals they made us sign for the right to give your music away!" doesn't exactly make spotify look good
― da croupier, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link
idk it's not spotify's job to make sure the label pays its royalties. it sounds like spotify did what it should - negotiated a deal w/ the labels so it could use their music. the labels then used loopholes to not have to pay their artists.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
Update, 16:39 BST: He argues that “running to the beat” like “dancing to the beat” is much more fun. He wants Spotify help find music that fits your running pace.
Update, 16:37 BST: Chief product officer Gustav Söderström has taken to the stage, discussing music for running. He says that the music player interface hasn’t changed in 15 years.
Update, 16:34 BST: Ek also promises more “original content” coming soon.
Update, 16:33 BST: Video partners include BBC, ESPN, Vice News, Adult Swim and TED.
Update, 16:30 BST: Broad City has been selected to be part of Spotify’s video content – it doesn’t seem like full episodes, but clips you can watch during the day when you’re at a loose end.
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
i really don't need any of this garbage guys
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link