Spotify - anyone heard of it?

thing about torrenting is that like any form of piracy, it's heavily beholden to what the torrenters and people torrenting actually like. going back to high school desperately trying to find more than one track off (for instance) a sandra record is not my idea of access to music. not to mention the document I keep that keeps growing of things that you simply cannot find online anymore. they're gone, they're over, maybe someone will join the world of the internet or someone, hopefully you, will find a CD in a haystack

the latest entry on that doc, btw, is -- in the kind of irony that gobstops me that it even exists - "god saves the internet," a pro-net neutrality track recorded by kay hanley, michelle lewis and jill sobule

I would love to see that list in some form

private trackers unlock a lot of that stuff kat... but your point is certainly valid: there's lots of stuff out there that is inaccessible for general access or requires crazy hunting to find. But less that there's ever been in any other time in history!

the day I am both financially solvent enough to afford and sociopathic enough to even consider hiring a private investigator to track down a fucking mp3 is the day I need to join a convent or something

as for "less than there's ever been in any other time in history" that's inherently untrackable. I mean, probably it is, but we really have no way of knowing, let alone knowing what it'll be like 20 years from now

Private trackers are generally run by private investigators, it's true.

apologies, I misread, I don't actually torrent anything

that said, from what I know of private link-sharing communities and the like, they are very unlikely to have significant overlap with the sort of music I'd be looking for.

xxp inherently unprovable maybe but colloquially it rings accurate to my own brief stay on the historymobile
the idea of a premium "song finder" service where you have taskrabbit hunters to hunt down mp3 copies of the obvious and obscure for immediate play sounds like a business plan whose time has come

(xp) yeah, there's a LOT missing from the digital world, everything from doo-wop records that are now owned by this label that bought that label that bought that other label that merged with those other seven labels, none of which gives a rat ass about doo-wop artists whose last minor hit came before anyone who worked for any of those labels was born, to small punk pressings that have never made the leap from vinyl to any digital form, to god knows what else we can't see, because we can't actually see the thing that we can't see. it's amazing to me how many relatively mainstream artists continue to be forgotten by the passing years, internet or no internet.

btw, i am going to look into getting you a copy of god save the internet

a lot of CDs with pop artists' debuts that were shipped to radio but clearly never took off enough to become ubiquitous, a lot of indie, particularly when not from the US -- I have the vague feeling that either I or my tastes are being made fun of here, but still.

that said, from what I know of private link-sharing communities and the like, they are very unlikely to have significant overlap with the sort of music I'd be looking for.

curious now about what music you like that's so obscure that the major private sharing community wouldn't have it. like what.cd isn't complete but of things i want to hear that aren't on spotify they probably have like 75%.

do we have a thread for like -- most obscure/hard to find/oop album you have?

it's not a matter of obscurity, it's a matter of genre. the people who subscribe to these services generally deal either in the music canon or the nerd canon. so if things are like they were back a few years ago (or now, if you try the google track), you can easily find every Bob Dylan and/or DragonForce one-off but not, say, stuff from teen-movie soundtracks or europop or female singer-songwriters who aren't the canonized ones.

i think maybe you aren't familiar enough w/ these services. i've found tons of super obscure 60s-70s female singer-songwriter albums.

yeah, I'm not talking 60s-70s, I'm talking 80s-on

the closer in time to now the more likely it's available - give me the name of the most obscure 80s female singer-songwriter you can think of. i'm curious to see if i can find it online.

(because '60s-'70s female singer-songwriter albums have a place in the canon, they're either laurel canyon-ish or chartdigging finds or margo guryan. but someone like sandra lockwood? that one I DO have -- because someone I knew bought the CD and was kind enough to send me a rip)

you may have found a niche to service katherine. time to call the angel investors

for fuck's sake, I'm not trying to prove that I am ~*more obscure than you*~ or claim that I am somehow uniquely affected by this, this is just the part of my musical interests that I have to go out looking for in the first place

RFI Sandra Lockwood

can't find her. she has a last.fm scrobble page which reminds me of the last time i was looking for an album that was super oop and only had one person who had scrobbled it ever. so i contacted them and asked for a copy - success!

kat, i'm being serious! I'm not really looking for that stuff so it's outside of my purview; i wouldn't notice that it's eroding because i didn't know it was there in the first place. you would almost certainly be a welcome addition on any private torrent for just that reason.

yeah, sometimes asking people on last.fm works. sometimes they haven't used last.fm in years, just kept it scrobbling away, and don't visit the site let alone answer stuff in their inbox. sometimes it pisses them off, which having been on both sides of this equation I understand

fwiw, i am facebook friends with sobule so i will let you know what i hear

kat i just sent you a webmail

the example I usually bring up in music-canon circles -- and yes, I know I'm repeating myself -- is the tracks from a toni halliday/anka from clan of xymox collaboration that were posted online about a decade ago

(those I think might legitimately be gone on her end, it's just a matter of whether an indeterminate number of people downloaded them)

anyway this is getting way off topic

do we have a thread for like -- most obscure/hard to find/oop album you have?

Mordy this is kind of like that:

Acts that are not on Spotify

and

this is the thread where you post the records you have been looking for over many moons unsuccessfully in the hopes that someone reading ilm might be able to help you out for either sexual favors or

oops I misread yr question, sorry

for fuck's sake, I'm not trying to prove that I am ~*more obscure than you*~ or claim that I am somehow uniquely affected by this, this is just the part of my musical interests that I have to go out looking for in the first place

― katherine, Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:52 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The biggest single stumbling block for me w/Spotify, which is not Spotify's fault in any way, is my enormous enthusiasm for film scores. This is a genre that lives in a unique licensing tidal zone that ensures CDs go out of print in an eyeblink and legal digital versions either never exist in the first place or disappear without warning. E.G. Jerry Goldsmith is probably the second most famous film composer of all time after Williams and only the scantiest sliver of his stuff exists on Spotify (or emusic or amazon Mp3 etc). (There are dozens and dozens of things there under his artist name but 85% are godawful recreations). (But Morricone, uniquely, is in fantastic shape on Spotify -- there's very few important scores of his you can't hear there).

But what the contract doesn’t stipulate is what Sony Music can and will do with the advance money. Does it go into a pot to be divided between Sony Music’s artists, or does the label keep it to itself? According to a music industry source, labels routinely keep advances for themselves.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8621581/sony-music-spotify-contract

Shocking.

In the wake of Swift’s departure from Spotify, many musicians rallied to her cause, vilifying streaming services that paid a fraction of a penny per play. But this contract makes it clear — the pay per stream rates aren’t the only issue. According to its financial disclosures, the majority of Spotify’s revenue, around 80 percent, has been flowing out the door to the rights holders. "You can’t squeeze blood from a stone," said David Pakman, the former CEO of eMusic and partner at Venrock. "Your beef can’t be with Spotify anymore." At least not with Spotify alone.

tbf the "music industry sources" that The Verge relies on are probably streaming music service guys and not label guys.

they published a copy of the contract

http://www.factmag.com/2015/05/20/new-spotify-now-video-streaming/

Update, 16:21 BST: As you browse content to suit your mood, the new Spotify experience includes video and podcasts – the presentation just showed a Vice News broadcast.

Update, 16:18 BST: Spotify’s VP of user experience Rochelle King has taken to the stage to introduce Spotify’s new playlist feature. It allows you to browse playlists made to match up to the time of day – for example “Morning Commute” or “Evening Commute”.

Update, 16:15 BST: Spotify is introducing a “new Spotify experience” that is “more accessible, personal, and useable than anything in music.”

Update, 16:13 BST: Ek describes a “profound change” in music with discovery and collection happening on our phones. “Soon there will only be listening,” he says.

while i'm glad it's coming out how horrible the majors have been re: streaming, "look what horrible-for-you deals they made us sign for the right to give your music away!" doesn't exactly make spotify look good

idk it's not spotify's job to make sure the label pays its royalties. it sounds like spotify did what it should - negotiated a deal w/ the labels so it could use their music. the labels then used loopholes to not have to pay their artists.

Update, 16:39 BST: He argues that “running to the beat” like “dancing to the beat” is much more fun. He wants Spotify help find music that fits your running pace.

Update, 16:37 BST: Chief product officer Gustav Söderström has taken to the stage, discussing music for running. He says that the music player interface hasn’t changed in 15 years.

Update, 16:34 BST: Ek also promises more “original content” coming soon.

Update, 16:33 BST: Video partners include BBC, ESPN, Vice News, Adult Swim and TED.

Update, 16:30 BST: Broad City has been selected to be part of Spotify’s video content – it doesn’t seem like full episodes, but clips you can watch during the day when you’re at a loose end.

i really don't need any of this garbage guys

so is this all going to break their various apps or what?

Update, 16:45 BST: The big guns are here – Tiesto’s on stage.

Update, 16:44 BST: He says he wants to keep the “runner’s high” going for the whole run – Spotify is having music specially composed for runs.

Update, 16:41 BST: Spotify is going to use the accelerometer in your phone to detect your running pace and find songs to match – he says it takes Spotify just five seconds.

loool

Please less Spotify algorithms trying to figure out what to play and more crowdsourcing.

indie run

carefully curated artisanal exercising is the future