I lost my cool
― ultimate american sock (mh), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 20:54 (nine years ago) link
i thought the breaking bad ending was totally in line with the way the show ended, for better or worse.
typo here or...?
my partner's dad really likes sons of anarchy. he likes anything "edgy." he is hard to converse with.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 20:54 (nine years ago) link
can we dispense with throwing shade at "lesser" forms of tv viewing itt
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
tbh we're mostly comparing shows that have some high aims with multi-season arcs and character development
it's not like we're throwing Burn Notice into the mix and trying to compare it to Mad Men
― ultimate american sock (mh), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
(nothing can compare with the purity of vision that was the multi-season Hyundai commercial that we called Burn Notice)
shade-throwing comment mostly directed at amateurist
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
boo-rns notice the last couple seasons imo
― ceres, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
I'm sorry, VG, but Sons of Anarchy was very bad
I watched the whole thing.
― ultimate american sock (mh), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
congratulations on yr opinion
mad men is 70% furniture & ppl standing around in rooms do u want a medal
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:09 (nine years ago) link
Season 1 was decent, season 2 a bit better, season 3 not bad (though that ATF agent was one of the worst characters in tv history in terms of depiction and treatment and execution, pun intended.) downhill from there big time.
― ceres, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
who am i throwing shade at? aside from my girlfriend's dad?
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
SOA is the same but the furniture is motorcycles and the rooms have skulls and hubcaps instead of heywood wakefield
― ceres, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link
I think Mad Men is more cohesive and the plot has more merit overall, but it's had its duds when it comes to narrative threads?
I don't know, I differ from amateurist in a lot of opinions but I would definitely find it difficult to relate to some SoA mega-fans who find some of the shit in the show "cool" rather than problematic
― ultimate american sock (mh), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:14 (nine years ago) link
Are there any Poochies of Mad Men who made it to the last season? Harry has his moments but it was mostly to burn him down.
― ultimate american sock (mh), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
idk maybe its just me, but there's just a weird smugness about mad men that reminds me of npr listeners who lol at low forms of culture
i hated the last couple of soa seasons anyway, i'll shut up
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
lol
I think Mad Men has a lot of viewers across the spectrum, but there's probably a segment who think it's somehow a "higher" form of entertainment.
― ultimate american sock (mh), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link
ppl at work say it allllll the time! and I'm like, it's a goddamn soap opera with better wardrobe & nicer sets, calm down
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link
I think any MM smugness is maybe from the veneer of classiness and viewers who get kinfolky over the interior design aesthetic but I think the show itself isn't particularly smug. Also it's the funniest of the prestige cable shows despite its image.
― ceres, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:21 (nine years ago) link
Poochies of Mad Men
lol @ this phrase btw
(I don't think there are any actual characters that qualify tbh)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link
yeah, mad men also benefited from some, uh, highly problematic mid-century nostalgia, especially w/r/t ideas of masculinity.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link
the only potential poochie I can recall got his foot run over by a lawnmower
― ceres, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:25 (nine years ago) link
xpost totallyi have one coworker that completely idolizes don draper which is just O_o
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
well he does drink at work
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
but it's like, do you WATCH the show? he's the worst!!
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link
I def have a Facebook acquaintance whose eyes get misty about the symbolism and treats Don Draper as a serious comment on the American condition.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link
drinking at work def a reasonable draper takeaway, everything else not so much
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link
xp i mean, he kind of is, largely because almost all his problems are his own fault (idk if your friend gets the second part of that tho)
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link
i think MM has been pretty generous to its characters in how it renders them as products of their own era and doesn't look back to judging them from a contemporary context, which i think has been one of its great strengths as a period piece. judgy, ahistorical presentism is the worst! but for sure, it also unleashed a legion of cufflinked assholes looking to class up their chauvinism.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
to judge* them
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
i don't even really like mad men all that much! i watch it mainly b/c it's the only long-term TV drama i'm invested in ATM. i don't really have time for any others.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link
i have a hard time seeing don draper as a coherent "person"--i feel like a lot of "analysis" of the show shows its desperation in trying to explain don's actions in some episode in terms of his previous actions. it can get pretty tangled.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:34 (nine years ago) link
fwiw
i don't know why i put analysis in scare quotes, that was kind of snobby of me
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link
MM is just pretentious Melrose Place.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link
i find myself only halfwatching most of the time, it's so laconic it's like it doesnt even care that its on tv lol
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link
schwantz otm
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
"just"
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
PF: I just don’t think about it very often. It’s just the way it is. It can often happen that way. You get cast on a show and you don’t know what’s going to happen eight episodes from now. When you’re doing television, it’s not like a play or a movie where you know what’s coming and can plan for it. I do remember on Mad Men, Matt Weiner told me a line that was four episodes later at the time I booked it. He told me that I say, “I’ve been standing behind guys like that my whole life,” about Don Draper. Matt told me that line when I got cast because he wanted me to know that’s what I’m feeling about Don. That one line was like, “Oh yeah, of course.”http://www.avclub.com/article/patrick-fischler-mad-men-lost-and-secrets-mulholla-218573
http://www.avclub.com/article/patrick-fischler-mad-men-lost-and-secrets-mulholla-218573
Realest MM has gotten for me. And that one episode w the poor guy who got fired for taking Don's advice and promptly told him off.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link
, it's so laconic it's like it doesnt even care that its on tv lol
That is hilarious. I'm totally going to steal this.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:39 (nine years ago) link
― ceres, Wednesday, May 13, 2015 5:10 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
season 4 was ok too, then they were just making shit up because they hadn't thought ahead about what if they didn't get cancelled
― entry-level umami (mild bleu cheese vibes) (s.clover), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
in season finale, it is revealed that Bob Benson is actually Layne Price - who faked his own death but is now BACK to exact a terrible revenge
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link
:D
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link
can someone please mow roger down with a car
omigod guys imagine '92 era Grant Show in 1961 finery.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
*swoon*
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link
start crossover fanfic... NOW
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:43 (nine years ago) link
and still called Jake
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
of course
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, May 13, 2015 5:41 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
b-b-b-but his bon mots though
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:46 (nine years ago) link
they obvs make up for his wholesale destruction of his family and the epic selfcenteredness of his self loathing
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link