MAD MEN on AMC - Seasons 7(a) & & 7(b)

can we dispense with throwing shade at "lesser" forms of tv viewing itt

tbh we're mostly comparing shows that have some high aims with multi-season arcs and character development

it's not like we're throwing Burn Notice into the mix and trying to compare it to Mad Men

(nothing can compare with the purity of vision that was the multi-season Hyundai commercial that we called Burn Notice)

shade-throwing comment mostly directed at amateurist

boo-rns notice the last couple seasons imo

I'm sorry, VG, but Sons of Anarchy was very bad

I watched the whole thing.

congratulations on yr opinion

mad men is 70% furniture & ppl standing around in rooms do u want a medal

Season 1 was decent, season 2 a bit better, season 3 not bad (though that ATF agent was one of the worst characters in tv history in terms of depiction and treatment and execution, pun intended.) downhill from there big time.

who am i throwing shade at? aside from my girlfriend's dad?

SOA is the same but the furniture is motorcycles and the rooms have skulls and hubcaps instead of heywood wakefield

I think Mad Men is more cohesive and the plot has more merit overall, but it's had its duds when it comes to narrative threads?

I don't know, I differ from amateurist in a lot of opinions but I would definitely find it difficult to relate to some SoA mega-fans who find some of the shit in the show "cool" rather than problematic

Are there any Poochies of Mad Men who made it to the last season? Harry has his moments but it was mostly to burn him down.

idk maybe its just me, but there's just a weird smugness about mad men that reminds me of npr listeners who lol at low forms of culture

i hated the last couple of soa seasons anyway, i'll shut up

lol

I think Mad Men has a lot of viewers across the spectrum, but there's probably a segment who think it's somehow a "higher" form of entertainment.

ppl at work say it allllll the time! and I'm like, it's a goddamn soap opera with better wardrobe & nicer sets, calm down

I think any MM smugness is maybe from the veneer of classiness and viewers who get kinfolky over the interior design aesthetic but I think the show itself isn't particularly smug. Also it's the funniest of the prestige cable shows despite its image.

Poochies of Mad Men

lol @ this phrase btw

(I don't think there are any actual characters that qualify tbh)

yeah, mad men also benefited from some, uh, highly problematic mid-century nostalgia, especially w/r/t ideas of masculinity.

the only potential poochie I can recall got his foot run over by a lawnmower

xpost totally
i have one coworker that completely idolizes don draper which is just O_o

well he does drink at work

lol

but it's like, do you WATCH the show? he's the worst!!

I def have a Facebook acquaintance whose eyes get misty about the symbolism and treats Don Draper as a serious comment on the American condition.

drinking at work def a reasonable draper takeaway, everything else not so much

xp i mean, he kind of is, largely because almost all his problems are his own fault (idk if your friend gets the second part of that tho)

i think MM has been pretty generous to its characters in how it renders them as products of their own era and doesn't look back to judging them from a contemporary context, which i think has been one of its great strengths as a period piece. judgy, ahistorical presentism is the worst! but for sure, it also unleashed a legion of cufflinked assholes looking to class up their chauvinism.

to judge* them

i don't even really like mad men all that much! i watch it mainly b/c it's the only long-term TV drama i'm invested in ATM. i don't really have time for any others.

i have a hard time seeing don draper as a coherent "person"--i feel like a lot of "analysis" of the show shows its desperation in trying to explain don's actions in some episode in terms of his previous actions. it can get pretty tangled.

fwiw

i don't know why i put analysis in scare quotes, that was kind of snobby of me

MM is just pretentious Melrose Place.

i find myself only halfwatching most of the time, it's so laconic it's like it doesnt even care that its on tv lol

schwantz otm

"just"

PF: I just don’t think about it very often. It’s just the way it is. It can often happen that way. You get cast on a show and you don’t know what’s going to happen eight episodes from now. When you’re doing television, it’s not like a play or a movie where you know what’s coming and can plan for it. I do remember on Mad Men, Matt Weiner told me a line that was four episodes later at the time I booked it. He told me that I say, “I’ve been standing behind guys like that my whole life,” about Don Draper. Matt told me that line when I got cast because he wanted me to know that’s what I’m feeling about Don. That one line was like, “Oh yeah, of course.”

http://www.avclub.com/article/patrick-fischler-mad-men-lost-and-secrets-mulholla-218573

Realest MM has gotten for me. And that one episode w the poor guy who got fired for taking Don's advice and promptly told him off.

, it's so laconic it's like it doesnt even care that its on tv lol

That is hilarious. I'm totally going to steal this.

Season 1 was decent, season 2 a bit better, season 3 not bad (though that ATF agent was one of the worst characters in tv history in terms of depiction and treatment and execution, pun intended.) downhill from there big time.

― ceres, Wednesday, May 13, 2015 5:10 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

season 4 was ok too, then they were just making shit up because they hadn't thought ahead about what if they didn't get cancelled

MM is just pretentious Melrose Place.

in season finale, it is revealed that Bob Benson is actually Layne Price - who faked his own death but is now BACK to exact a terrible revenge

:D

can someone please mow roger down with a car

omigod guys imagine '92 era Grant Show in 1961 finery.

*swoon*

start crossover fanfic... NOW

and still called Jake

of course

can someone please mow roger down with a car

― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, May 13, 2015 5:41 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

b-b-b-but his bon mots though

they obvs make up for his wholesale destruction of his family and the epic selfcenteredness of his self loathing

now trying to think of what Roger would say after being hit by a car

"it was.... fun"