Actually, to everyone in the office and for most of his personal life for the first few seasons, Don Draper is the charismatic cipher who just does what successful men of his time supposedly do -- have affairs, drink at work, be the alpha male and very convincing to clients. The fact he's hanging out with bohemians or whoever else might mean something to him, but I don't think any of them ever saw him as anything other than "Don Draper, the man who drinks at work."
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
I think that's part of why he's hard to pin down as anything in particular for so much of the series. We see him react emotionally or distantly to things from his past (Anna, his brother) but 90% of the time he is just Successful Advertising Suit Man to his coworkers.
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
he's the secret astronaut man who drinks at work p much until he has his blurted confession in the hershey pitch (still one of my fav moments on the series despite its placement in a v uneven season). after that, he is almost entirely thought of as the emotional mess until he sorta gets his shit together (as far as they're concerned and can see, at least) in season 7A. but like in "the strategy," peggy refers to him with justifiable dismissal when she says "i have authority, and don has emotion" to counter pete's expected notion of their roles
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
I really like how he just walked out of the first meeting on his first day of work and just drove around the country instead.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
That's some wish fulfillment shiz.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
ILE favorite Jason Reitman is putting together a live reading of "The Wheel" (season 1 finale) with non-Mad Men actors on Sunday night in LA.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:36 (nine years ago) link
xpost
well when you have a multi-million-dollar nest egg it's a bit easier.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
http://41.media.tumblr.com/962ad756ad156bb5957b0d5d3fd93df3/tumblr_no7lyqdXOd1qdbluio1_1280.jpg
― Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 14 May 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
feel like "bury me inside the gucci store" is a p apt betty death wish
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 14 May 2015 22:49 (nine years ago) link
and delicious
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 May 2015 22:56 (nine years ago) link
no Sal
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/mad-men-sal-not-in-finale
― piscesx, Friday, 15 May 2015 01:20 (nine years ago) link
anyone who thought he would be is delusional
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 May 2015 01:32 (nine years ago) link
I don't like how they posed the question about how many other characters we'll never see again and then dot it with a gif of Stan. I miss Stan already. ;_;
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 May 2015 01:35 (nine years ago) link
rip sexy beard and neckerchief
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 May 2015 01:38 (nine years ago) link
Started watching one of the repeats last night, and--as I knew would happen--ended up watching most of the next five or six, with occasional breaks and drifting off now and again. It was a real good stretch of episodes from Season 3. Don was living in a hotel, I think fallout from Bobbie Barrett (I started watching where Don and Roger take Freddy out on his day, which is when Don sucker-punches Jimmy Barrett). Had forgotten all about Betty's brother. Creepiest moment ever: when Betty's father puts his hand on Betty and says, "Now that we've eaten, how about you and I go upstairs."
― clemenza, Friday, 15 May 2015 11:21 (nine years ago) link
"on his last day"
― clemenza, Friday, 15 May 2015 11:22 (nine years ago) link
yeah I was only intermittently able to catch some of s2 but found it immensely absorbing. feel like for a show where people complain nothing ever happens an awful lot fucking happened!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 16:05 (nine years ago) link
season 2 is my sentimental favorite. i can remember season 3 distinctly but 4-6 tend to run together for me.
― ryan, Friday, 15 May 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
This is from Clickhole, but I'm not gonna lie...I would like this very much.
http://i.imgur.com/16LRk0o.png
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 May 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
how long into the episode before we get: 'Five Years Later'?
― piscesx, Friday, 15 May 2015 18:04 (nine years ago) link
VG- are you half watching this after getting bored or do you generally watch it that way? Because this show will definitely suffer from half watching.
There are drama shows I get way more excited about but in terms of overall quality, judgement and execution I don't think anything else I've seen comes very close. Not to say there's no room for complaints but I love watching this show because I feel like I'm in safe hands. It's rare to feel that way. I'd assume a lot of the complaints and nit picking are partly because it's a great show?
I kept thinking Pete's deal is going to go to shit next episode and ruin his second chance with Trudy but maybe not.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 May 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
Yes, he and we only have Duck's word re Lear Jet's matching McCann compensation. Oh well, lower cost of living in Witchita (as Duck already mentioned...). Good Public Radio station too, at least now.
― dow, Friday, 15 May 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
yeah but pete's gonna be a big fish in a small pond, with breeding, family name, and credentials that will afford him more prestige than they ever did in manhattan. he might end up satisfied for once in his life.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
he will never be satisfied
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
but I don't think too much is going to be done to undermine his more or less "happy ending" in the last episode
I gagged a little when Duck had that line about knocking class rings on tables
― ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 15 May 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
I'm down with the idea that Pete comes out on top, as that's long been one of the points of the show and that episode just proved it.
― dan selzer, Friday, 15 May 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
yup, things don't change - Don is still an unwanted mysterious con man, rich WASPs perenially secure, women relegated to secondary status etc.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
Wonder if Ted is just going to be left reasonably happy?
I don't really want Peggy to stay there, it just seems so fucking horrible in that place but perhaps staying there is going to solidify her trailblazer status.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 May 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
i'm glad weiner put the db cooper bullshit to sleep, i feel like some people think every tv show is breaking bad.
― ceres, Friday, 15 May 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
the headhunter peggy spoke to a couple episodes ago said that she'd probably quadruple her asking salary after working at mccann for a few years. i hope we'll see more about peggy at work in the final episode but it seems like a place she could thrive. she won't get the director position at mccann that she wanted at SCDP but she's got a very successful career ahead, i think.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
you may have missed the part where the guy who runs the place told joan that peggy wouldn't likely be in her job very long
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 May 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
i don't recall that, no
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
do we think there will be a time jump
― i blow goat farts, aka garts for a living (waterface), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
McCann is pretty clearly not a place where people thrive, much less women
I don't think there will be a time jump
my bet would be on peggy starting her own agency in some way (she didn't have equity and thus no non-compete clause applies)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
It's possible, but it won't be a "where are they now?" kind of thing like many other series do.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
the jump forward is to 2050 and they're all dead
― ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
entire show is hyper-intelligent cockroaches puzzling over an unearthed BurgerChef billboard
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
entire show is a story Ginsburg scrawled out in blood on his window in the mental institution.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
aliens return to earth to reclaim their prodigal son, Ginsberg, proceed to lay waste to Manhattan
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
i dunno, in a prior episode, when peggy & joan met at mccann about topaz pantyhose, peggy was remarkably deft at redirecting the blatant sexism of the men in the room and remaining professional. i don't think mccann will necessarily care that she's a woman as long as she remains childless & married to her job. we already saw that there are other female copywriters, even if they are used on 'women's' accounts. plus mccann might be a soulless corporate wasteland but it's also a stable environment, which is a lot more than you could say for SCDP.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
we already saw that there are other female copywriters, even if they are used on 'women's' accounts
Peggy's already been the copyrwiter for "ladies" products, she had bigger ambitions than that, ones that have been explicitly stated
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
she HAS
i don't recall that, no― gwyneth anger (patron sailor)
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
pete saved the burger chef account so i'd assume she's still on that? idk i think peggy's gonna stay put, she already decided against going elsewhere when SCDP was absorbed so something really awful would have to happen for her to leave imho
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
yes I remember that forks
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
entire show the entire internet on monday morning following the show is hyper-intelligent cockroaches puzzling over an unearthed BurgerChef billboard― Οὖτις, Friday, May 15, 2015
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
i don't mean to pooh pooh your interp p.sailor; i'm sure a woman with peggy's presented skillset would have a successful career even in the rabidly sexist 70's.i just have very little emotional attachment to these characters i guess
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
nah, it's fair, we're all reading tea leaves here. i like peggy, tho. she's an asshole but she's got talent.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
I remember. xxxp.
I'd forgotten about it right up until it was brought up in this thread though. I'm hoping Peggy gets a happy-ish ending anyway.
I doubt she's going to leave McCann, they already did that with Joan and I don't think that the Mad Men writers are going to repeat themselves.
― silverfish, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link