MAD MEN on AMC - Seasons 7(a) & & 7(b)

feel like "bury me inside the gucci store" is a p apt betty death wish

and delicious

no Sal

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/mad-men-sal-not-in-finale

anyone who thought he would be is delusional

I don't like how they posed the question about how many other characters we'll never see again and then dot it with a gif of Stan. I miss Stan already. ;_;

rip sexy beard and neckerchief

Started watching one of the repeats last night, and--as I knew would happen--ended up watching most of the next five or six, with occasional breaks and drifting off now and again. It was a real good stretch of episodes from Season 3. Don was living in a hotel, I think fallout from Bobbie Barrett (I started watching where Don and Roger take Freddy out on his day, which is when Don sucker-punches Jimmy Barrett). Had forgotten all about Betty's brother. Creepiest moment ever: when Betty's father puts his hand on Betty and says, "Now that we've eaten, how about you and I go upstairs."

"on his last day"

yeah I was only intermittently able to catch some of s2 but found it immensely absorbing. feel like for a show where people complain nothing ever happens an awful lot fucking happened!

season 2 is my sentimental favorite. i can remember season 3 distinctly but 4-6 tend to run together for me.

This is from Clickhole, but I'm not gonna lie...I would like this very much.

http://i.imgur.com/16LRk0o.png

how long into the episode before we get: 'Five Years Later'?

VG- are you half watching this after getting bored or do you generally watch it that way? Because this show will definitely suffer from half watching.

There are drama shows I get way more excited about but in terms of overall quality, judgement and execution I don't think anything else I've seen comes very close. Not to say there's no room for complaints but I love watching this show because I feel like I'm in safe hands. It's rare to feel that way.
I'd assume a lot of the complaints and nit picking are partly because it's a great show?

I kept thinking Pete's deal is going to go to shit next episode and ruin his second chance with Trudy but maybe not.

Yes, he and we only have Duck's word re Lear Jet's matching McCann compensation. Oh well, lower cost of living in Witchita (as Duck already mentioned...). Good Public Radio station too, at least now.

yeah but pete's gonna be a big fish in a small pond, with breeding, family name, and credentials that will afford him more prestige than they ever did in manhattan. he might end up satisfied for once in his life.

he will never be satisfied

but I don't think too much is going to be done to undermine his more or less "happy ending" in the last episode

I gagged a little when Duck had that line about knocking class rings on tables

I'm down with the idea that Pete comes out on top, as that's long been one of the points of the show and that episode just proved it.

yup, things don't change - Don is still an unwanted mysterious con man, rich WASPs perenially secure, women relegated to secondary status etc.

Wonder if Ted is just going to be left reasonably happy?

I don't really want Peggy to stay there, it just seems so fucking horrible in that place but perhaps staying there is going to solidify her trailblazer status.

i'm glad weiner put the db cooper bullshit to sleep, i feel like some people think every tv show is breaking bad.

the headhunter peggy spoke to a couple episodes ago said that she'd probably quadruple her asking salary after working at mccann for a few years. i hope we'll see more about peggy at work in the final episode but it seems like a place she could thrive. she won't get the director position at mccann that she wanted at SCDP but she's got a very successful career ahead, i think.

you may have missed the part where the guy who runs the place told joan that peggy wouldn't likely be in her job very long

i don't recall that, no

do we think there will be a time jump

McCann is pretty clearly not a place where people thrive, much less women

I don't think there will be a time jump

my bet would be on peggy starting her own agency in some way (she didn't have equity and thus no non-compete clause applies)

It's possible, but it won't be a "where are they now?" kind of thing like many other series do.

the jump forward is to 2050 and they're all dead

entire show is hyper-intelligent cockroaches puzzling over an unearthed BurgerChef billboard

entire show is a story Ginsburg scrawled out in blood on his window in the mental institution.

aliens return to earth to reclaim their prodigal son, Ginsberg, proceed to lay waste to Manhattan

i dunno, in a prior episode, when peggy & joan met at mccann about topaz pantyhose, peggy was remarkably deft at redirecting the blatant sexism of the men in the room and remaining professional. i don't think mccann will necessarily care that she's a woman as long as she remains childless & married to her job. we already saw that there are other female copywriters, even if they are used on 'women's' accounts. plus mccann might be a soulless corporate wasteland but it's also a stable environment, which is a lot more than you could say for SCDP.

we already saw that there are other female copywriters, even if they are used on 'women's' accounts

Peggy's already been the copyrwiter for "ladies" products, she had bigger ambitions than that, ones that have been explicitly stated

she HAS

i don't recall that, no
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor)

pete saved the burger chef account so i'd assume she's still on that? idk i think peggy's gonna stay put, she already decided against going elsewhere when SCDP was absorbed so something really awful would have to happen for her to leave imho

yes I remember that forks

entire show the entire internet on monday morning following the show is hyper-intelligent cockroaches puzzling over an unearthed BurgerChef billboard
― Οὖτις, Friday, May 15, 2015

i don't mean to pooh pooh your interp p.sailor; i'm sure a woman with peggy's presented skillset would have a successful career even in the rabidly sexist 70's.
i just have very little emotional attachment to these characters i guess

nah, it's fair, we're all reading tea leaves here. i like peggy, tho. she's an asshole but she's got talent.

I remember. xxxp.

I'd forgotten about it right up until it was brought up in this thread though. I'm hoping Peggy gets a happy-ish ending anyway.

I doubt she's going to leave McCann, they already did that with Joan and I don't think that the Mad Men writers are going to repeat themselves.

ad agencies are not a place where people thrive, much less women. they are pits of evil.

btw Weiner explicitly disagrees with this, one reason i could never love this show.

MW basically sees agencies as... the CABLE TELEVISION of the '60s!

there was cable television in the 60s?

For a long time, it was my assumption that Peggy would be the character to come out on top at the end, considering the first episode of the show was her first day on the job—the title Mad Men being ironic, etc etc blah blah. At this point, I think the closest we'll get to that is the scene with her silhouetted in Don's office chair that mimics the show's generic avatar. That's clearly too neat a narrative for Matt Weiner, though I know he treats Peggy like one of his favorites.

just imagine the rich tapestry of sincere mad men fanfic that will inevitably extend these characters' stories beyond the conclusion of the series. it's gonna be wild.

I refuse to acknowledge any non-slash-fiction

Canon-only for me!

final shot is joan stubbing a cigarette out on a photo of don and sneering "i've had it with all these mad men" through a cloud of cigarette smoke