MAD MEN on AMC - Seasons 7(a) & & 7(b)

One of my favourite Roger lines, after drunken Duck gets up and makes a fool of himself at the awards show: "God, I miss working with that guy." He says it like he really means it, and misses the walking disaster aspect of Duck.

i think john slattery's line readings are probably the best thing about this show.

Roger really has the best personality
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it could just be Slattery's readings!

http://themuse.jezebel.com/why-we-should-have-seen-betty-drapers-mad-men-fate-from-1704689270

this kind of shit makes me hate everything, mad men included.

this kind of shit makes me hate everything, mad men included.

Serves you right for going to Jezebel.

Roger to Jane, just before they drop acid: "Don't say I never take you anywhere."

The Jezebel thing was posted a little earlier last night. I don't think it claims to be scholarship or anything, but I found the connections interesting.

All those halfassed clues yet the writer didn't cite Grandpa Gene explicitly warning Betty about her cigarettes while they're discussing his funeral arrangements

Knowing full well I’ll be ridiculed for this, here’s how I think the show handled the big issues of the day. By handled, I mean was the issue confronted more than I mean do I agree with whatever reading someone might take away.

Emerging feminism: unqualified success. Again, I can understand disagreements about the meaning of Peggy’s, Betty’s, Joan’s, or Sally’s stories--two people could look at Peggy and come to completely opposite conclusions about what her story means (with more to go, presumably), and I’m sure there’d be valid explanations on both sides. But that part of the show was front and center the whole way. And not just for those four characters: Faye Miller, Rachel, and many other female characters were part of it too.

The counter-culture (or youth, or “I Just Wasn’t Made for These Times,” or however you want to label it): not as central, but handled pretty well. This is Don and Roger’s part of the story, mostly: WWII vet, Korean vet, a certain kind of worldview and way of behaving that’s on its way out, played off against the surrounding din. No one yet has become fully radicalized, as I expected (ditto above), but lots of characters were somewhere on the continuum: Sally, Kinsey, Ginsberg, Stan, etc.

Race: mostly side-stepped. I think there’s an argument to be made that that’s a good thing, that forcing it in every week would have become tiresome, and that it was peripheral to this particular set of characters, but in view of how central that story was to the ‘60s, the show did largely move it to the edges (musically, too).

The war: mostly side-stepped. Good example of how something can feel perfunctory: as fascinating as I find Glen, sending him off to Vietnam felt a little predictable. So there was him and Joan’s husband, Ken Cosgrove/Chevy/Dow (the Chevy allegory was great, if you buy that reading--I do), grumbling here and there. Pending tomorrow night, not one war-related death yet, I don’t think.

The emerging gay-rights movement was also only partially addressed--I don’t think that became a big story until right near the end of the decade, anyway--but based on a handful of characters, that was probably the closest the show came to a fifth big issue. (Unless it’s something about fundamental changes in the corporate world--I’ll have to leave it to someone else to explain that.) Like many people, I wish Sal hadn’t been dropped; like very few people, I didn’t find Bob the least bit interesting.

I agree of the big political issues of the era that race is the one the show was least able to grapple with.

"Pending tomorrow night, not one war-related death yet, I don’t think."

This does not strike me as particularly surprising given the race/class/profession of most of the principals.

"The emerging gay-rights movement was also only partially addressed"

There are two minor uncloseted characters presented in highly sympathetic fashion (Zosia Mamet and the young Euro dude) and two season regulars with major focus on the sexuality and the contortions being closeted place them under. I'd say the show pretty fully addresses this subject (esp. given that it's not a show specifically about it).

This does not strike me as particularly surprising given the race/class/profession of most of the principals.

yeah, and don't forget that don could even use his connections to stop his... neighbour's nephew? ... being sent off to vietnam

One major theme I do think the show failed to address and which is somewhat shocking giving its setting is the total decay of NYC particular by the latter half of the decade.

It wasn't addressed directly, but you're reminded of it every time they go to Peggy's apartment and the one time Betty went into the city.

Got a glimpse of that when Roger and Joan are mugged--Roger makes a comment on the neighborhood just before the mugging. (Saw the episode the other night...the mugger was black; please understand I am not commenting upon/endorsing/addressing that fact whatsoever.) In terms of garbage strikes, infrastructure, etc., you're right.

I forgot about the Euro guy, who was completely out of the closet. Just saw that episode too, and that scene was really funny--Harry (Ken?) tries to tell the guy he doesn't understand what homosexual means.

I think it's pretty oblique. Obviously I wasn't alive at the time, but I get impression it was a pretty big deal with a lot of handwringing.

Stan's cousin (introduced at Don's birthday party in the S5 premiere) was later revealed to have died in Vietnam.

Good call totally forgot about that tidbit from that crazy episode.

I can't remember: Have they addressed the TV ban on cigarette advertising at all? (I know that didn't happen til '71 but still)

is anyone gonna watch AMC shows other than walking dead and better call saul when this is over? some of the new stuff they're advertising looks halfway interesting but not for nothing who the fuck watches halt and catch fire or turn

The show's best "grappling" with race occurred when a tearful Joan hugged the incredulous secretary.

halt and catch fire is p good

Stan's cousin (introduced at Don's birthday party in the S5 premiere) was later revealed to have died in Vietnam.

No recollection, but that's good that they worked that in; even in this world, I think it's almost inconceivable that some of the characters wouldn't have had a death in Vietnam affect a friend or relative.

I thought the two most memorable race-related events had to do with the two housekeepers, Carla (cruel firing) and Viola (automatic suspicion of the theft committed by Sally). Although the first had as much to do with Betty's strange relationship with Glen as with race.

"is anyone gonna watch AMC shows other than walking dead and better call saul when this is over? some of the new stuff they're advertising looks halfway interesting but not for nothing who the fuck watches halt and catch fire or turn"

no one watches those and Walking Dead and Saul are enough to carry AMC; also, Walking Dead is getting a spin off series which I'm sure will do great.

A moment I can't forget is Carla standing and crying as she listens to news of the bombing in Birmingham.

Just noticed that Slattery is in Ted 2. I feel bad for him.

nobody watches Halt and it's pretty ridiculous and often annoying but also totally enjoyable and will probably grow an audience.

who the fuck watches halt and catch fire

god i watched the pilot on netflix, it was the biggest pile of shit i have seen in so so long

Harry's the most despised character on this thread. Understandable. But I will say that his $500 cheque for Kinsey (rewatched it the other night), and care in not telling him the truth about his script, might be the single most magnanimous thing anyone ever did on this show.

Gonna go out on a limb and lock in my final guess for the last song: If it's not a crooner thing, I think it'll be some early Jackson Browne--"Rock Me On The Water" or something like that.

Nico's version of These Days? (I can't believe you guys even dragged me into this game.)

Looking back its kinda weird how much they've used country music given that the only character who would conceivably listen to it is don

I like "These Days" as a guess, although--if this matters--I strongly associate it already with The Royal Tenenbaums.

Also, it's from earlier than I remembered (1967).

fwiw I still like the I Am...I Said guess.

Something that really resonated with me yesterday: the way Don's giddy proposal to Megan was played off against Betty's sadness in vacating the old house. It seemed like such a cruel contrast.

Looking back its kinda weird how much they've used country music given that the only character who would conceivably listen to it is don

― Οὖτις, Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:24 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

think this is sorta reading back -- my understanding is that country and pop played a whole bunch more freely up thru probably the early 80s.

Yeah, I was gonna say...back when country was country & western, especially during the "countrypolitan" years, it was just as prevalent as anything else.

Mad Men is in the golden age of classic Nashville country

They've mixed crossover country ("Harper Valley PTA," "Sixteen Tons") with a couple of George Jones and Waylon Jennings songs I didn't know and am guessing were not Top 40 hits. Surprised they never used "Ode to Billie Joe" or--perfect--"Rose Garden."

i note that no-one's even suggested a disco record. I Feel Love maybe?

i mean, considering that a lot of folk in blog/twitter world are suggesting there's going to be a time jump.

last song might be bangarang feat. sirah

i note that no-one's even suggested a disco record. I Feel Love maybe?

― piscesx, Monday, May 18, 2015 5:25 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My god, I would actually love this.

"The Gambler"

The same blog world thought The Sopranos' second-to-last episode would be a flashback set in the 1960s.

I don't get the Harry hate either. He reminds me of any office flunkey. Pete is loathsome.

harry seems to have moved into full-on sexual predator territory

some other channels will direct people to Mad Men supposedly?? sounds nuts but fair do's like

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it's the right thing to do

animal planet will be running "Mad Dogs": dozens of rabid puppies wearing character-specific 70's period clothing mauling one another in an oversized McCann Ericksonn diorama

Harry goes on rampage with Pete's gun