yeah peggy and stan was rushed as well - most of this ep was p badly tacked together but the show has built the characters well enough to get away with it
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Monday, 18 May 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link
feel like the joan coke scene carried over into a lot of the rest of the episode! esp peggy and stan.
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
I find the conclusion that Don goes back to work at McCann and makes an awesome coke ad to be pretty depressing as a second (third? fourth?) act for him. He seemed so much happier being hobo-benefactor-Don
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
"If something's wrong, it's always going to be wrong"---or maybe even, "it's always wrong"---either way, great throwaway line, like this show did so well.
― dow, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link
I know there was plenty of foreshadowing
If there was, I probably willfully missed it. I loved that scene specifically because it came as a surprise to me.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link
He seemed so much happier being hobo-benefactor-Don
Huh? He was miserable spending that much time with just himself.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link
it was fragile, that's for sure
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link
xxpost Geezer's throwaway diagnosis could apply to Draper's Fate, before or after the credits roll.
― dow, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
kinda preferred to read it as Don has nullified himself/become nobody and thereby is one with the zeitgeist of the times, which is a hippy-dippy coke ad
Even though I'm 99% on the side of Don goes back and creates the Coke ad, I think this is a valid interpretation.
The show's richest ambiguity for me is in the guy's fridge monologue. It was serious and credibly painful, and at the same time it completely sounded like a Don Draper pitch. Where is the line between one and the other? (Dammit, I want my ambiguity.)
― clemenza, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link
he seemed to be doing pretty great until he got the news from Sally
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/249014/don-draper-maverick-ad-man-dead-at-88.html
― dan selzer, Monday, 18 May 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
The most cynical reading of all (which I don't at all believe, but it just crossed my mind): Don's embrace of the fridge guy, and the reason he's so shattered and overwhelmed by the guy's story, is that the advertising part of him knows he's just heard the single greatest pitch of his life.
That obit is excellent.
― clemenza, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link
Draper was married and divorced five times. His daughter, socialite Sally Draper, and another son, Gene, predeceased him.
― Norse Jung (Eric H.), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link
doing pretty great, other than the fact he's just wandering around getting shithammered by himself in cheap motel rooms
― ultimate american sock (mh), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
loved that Gene finally got a line
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
booze-sweat makeup artist deserves an award for the series, a+ work
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:14 (eight years ago) link
Didnt realize til he spoke that Gene was the same actor as Jax's creepy kid Abel in Sons of Anarchy, i hate that kid
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
so does Don!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:16 (eight years ago) link
lol
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
that mediapost notably disconnects peggy and joan from any future success, but hey
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
I was there in the 70s, it was not a Coke ad, well not always.
Not sure what you're saying... I had to confirm that the hit-single version was rewritten after the ad, not the reverse.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
havent watch this show in a few seasons but that ending with the new age meditation sesh leading into the coke ad was ice cold
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
i see what u did there
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
ha in all seriousness tho i loved it it was the real thing
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
it was just it you know
needed more polar bears
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
all punning around aside i did think it was very good
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
btw i read the wikipedia season recaps before watching and im sure this is news to no one but the plots got kinda lurid in the later seasons huh
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
more lurid than first-season "I didn't know I was pregnant for 8 months"
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link
ya
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
having breaking down don hanging around that cliff was a nice foreboding touch
also don trying to school the blonde girl in his methods of inner and outer deception lol what a goon
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link
we can do this i will teach you how to live the lie
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link
I have noticed that most of these CONTEMPORARY GOLDEN AGE TV shows are kinda what we usta call soap operas, or in Grandma Morbius' case "my stories."
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
btw Letterman years ago used to drop "my stories" into his conversations with Paul and it killed me every time.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
we've had this debate every season. it's a melodrama, a very good one.
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
oh gosh lets not start on the soap opera thing again
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
im no mad men apologist but its obvs a lot more than a melodrama let alone a soap opera its concerned with society and shit cmon
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link
melodrama's can be concerned with society! i just dont see it as a dig. it's also middlebrow. that's also fine! it's ok everyone.
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
you can take it seriously too, if you want. you can analyze it if you like doing that. no one will laugh you.
"I trust we’ll see you here next year for episode one of Holloway-Harris: The Cocaine Years."
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/may/18/mad-men-recap-season-seven-episode-14-person-to-person-warning-spoilers
― clemenza, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link
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i see weve reached the willfully obtuse soap operas are good actually stage in record time
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link
i specifically didnt say soap opera!
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link
"i quite enjoy the middlebrow vapidity of its metatextual analysis tbh, buy me a latte?"
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:59 (eight years ago) link
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i will teach u how to become the man who drinks at work
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 18 May 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
i will teach you how to become... hamm
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
step 1: be at work
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
Joyce Carol Oates @JoyceCarolOates · 3h 3 hours agoCreator of "Mad Men" could not discover a single profound/ dramatic defining act for "Don Draper" w/ which to conclude saga.
...when old ppl tweeting goes wrong
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
Wow this was a great ending. I like the ambiguity of the very end too, it's just as plausible that after that last shot Don went back to work and made that ad, or 15 minutes later hysterically threw himself off the cliff.
Everyone got happy endings, so yay. So glad Joan got rid of that rich controlling jerk and is running her own business.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 May 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link