MAD MEN on AMC - Seasons 7(a) & & 7(b)

Draper was married and divorced five times. His daughter, socialite Sally Draper, and another son, Gene, predeceased him.

doing pretty great, other than the fact he's just wandering around getting shithammered by himself in cheap motel rooms

loved that Gene finally got a line

booze-sweat makeup artist deserves an award for the series, a+ work

Didnt realize til he spoke that Gene was the same actor as Jax's creepy kid Abel in Sons of Anarchy, i hate that kid

so does Don!

lol

that mediapost notably disconnects peggy and joan from any future success, but hey

I was there in the 70s, it was not a Coke ad, well not always.

Not sure what you're saying... I had to confirm that the hit-single version was rewritten after the ad, not the reverse.

havent watch this show in a few seasons but that ending with the new age meditation sesh leading into the coke ad was ice cold

i see what u did there

ha in all seriousness tho i loved it it was the real thing

lol

it was just it you know

needed more polar bears

all punning around aside i did think it was very good

btw i read the wikipedia season recaps before watching and im sure this is news to no one but the plots got kinda lurid in the later seasons huh

more lurid than first-season "I didn't know I was pregnant for 8 months"

ya

having breaking down don hanging around that cliff was a nice foreboding touch

also don trying to school the blonde girl in his methods of inner and outer deception lol what a goon

we can do this i will teach you how to live the lie

I have noticed that most of these CONTEMPORARY GOLDEN AGE TV shows are kinda what we usta call soap operas, or in Grandma Morbius' case "my stories."

btw Letterman years ago used to drop "my stories" into his conversations with Paul and it killed me every time.

we've had this debate every season. it's a melodrama, a very good one.

oh gosh lets not start on the soap opera thing again

im no mad men apologist but its obvs a lot more than a melodrama let alone a soap opera its concerned with society and shit cmon

melodrama's can be concerned with society! i just dont see it as a dig. it's also middlebrow. that's also fine! it's ok everyone.

you can take it seriously too, if you want. you can analyze it if you like doing that. no one will laugh you.

"I trust we’ll see you here next year for episode one of Holloway-Harris: The Cocaine Years."

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/may/18/mad-men-recap-season-seven-episode-14-person-to-person-warning-spoilers

melodrama's can be concerned with society! i just dont see it as a dig. it's also middlebrow. that's also fine! it's ok everyone.

― ryan, Monday, May 18, 2015 12:54 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i see weve reached the willfully obtuse soap operas are good actually stage in record time

i specifically didnt say soap opera!

"i quite enjoy the middlebrow vapidity of its metatextual analysis tbh, buy me a latte?"

we can do this i will teach you how to live the lie

― lag∞n, Monday, May 18, 2015 4:49 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i will teach u how to become the man who drinks at work

i will teach you how to become... hamm

step 1: be at work

Joyce Carol Oates @JoyceCarolOates · 3h 3 hours ago
Creator of "Mad Men" could not discover a single profound/ dramatic defining act for "Don Draper" w/ which to conclude saga.

...when old ppl tweeting goes wrong

Wow this was a great ending. I like the ambiguity of the very end too, it's just as plausible that after that last shot Don went back to work and made that ad, or 15 minutes later hysterically threw himself off the cliff.

Everyone got happy endings, so yay. So glad Joan got rid of that rich controlling jerk and is running her own business.

hah that guy bolted at the first signs of life, so outta there

nothing i've said is pejorative. i pretty much love this show unreservedly, flaws and all. im using melodrama as a loose classification for a type of storytelling that the show generally engages in. beautiful people behaving badly and, often, as you put it, pretty "lurid" plots. soap opera doesnt fit because they tend to be more or less open ended.

i feel like the ppl detracting from the finale wanted there to be some sort of explosive ending, and like, what the fuck, this isn't breaking bad or an action show, he was never gonna die dramatically onscreen or do some otherwise insane huge gesture

nor was anyone else

there are aspects of melodrama but if someone was like what kind of show is this and you were all "a melodrama" that wld not be a very good description

haha fair enough--and not totally different from what im trying to say!

Thought it was funny all the warnings Roger was throwing out, so glad they didn't kill off any characters on screen. People are horrible.

it's a melodrama, a very good one.

― ryan, Monday, May 18, 2015 12:52 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you can quote the rest of what i said too!

anecdote in this Salon wrapup def captures the mind of the typical "creative director":

“Mad Men” owes an enormous debt to “The Conquest of Cool” by Thomas Frank, a 1997 academic text that examines how what we see as the progressive, inclusive themes of the ’60s were in fact outright manufactured by advertisers in order to mold a new generation of consumers and a new kind of “hip consumerism.” It’s a book that changed the way I thought about the era—and irrevocably affected the way I see advertising, too. It’s also a book that articulates the really awful truths underpinning “Mad Men.” Don Draper didn’t write that advertisement because someone named Bob Backer did; Don didn’t believe in his meditation at Big Sur because, among other things, he never existed. But people did go to Big Sur to attempt to make their lives better; people chanted “om” many times, hoping for peace and harmony. Irony and cynicism prevent us from really feeling that Don might have gotten somewhere with his meditations in California. But that’s just because we’ve all learned our lessons too well—if there is something true or pure or beautiful in the world, then someone has made it into an advertisement to sell a product. We distrust because we know better...

One line from Coca-Cola’s official history of “I’d Like to Buy the World a Coke” made me laugh. Billy Davis, the music director for the Coke account, had a problem with the idea for the spot when it was pitched to him. He said: “Well, if I could do something for everybody in the world, it would not be to buy them a Coke… I’d buy everyone a home first and share with them in peace and love.” Backer, the creative director, responded with one of the most confident, full-of-shit lines of spin in history: “OK, that sounds good. Let’s write that and I’ll show you how Coke fits right into the concept.”

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/18/mad_men_finale_recap_someday_people_are_going_to_brag_that_they_worked_with_you/

we've had this debate every season. it's a melodrama, a very good one.

― ryan, Monday, May 18, 2015 12:52 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

never mind.