Didnt realize til he spoke that Gene was the same actor as Jax's creepy kid Abel in Sons of Anarchy, i hate that kid
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
so does Don!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:16 (eight years ago) link
lol
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
that mediapost notably disconnects peggy and joan from any future success, but hey
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
I was there in the 70s, it was not a Coke ad, well not always.
Not sure what you're saying... I had to confirm that the hit-single version was rewritten after the ad, not the reverse.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
havent watch this show in a few seasons but that ending with the new age meditation sesh leading into the coke ad was ice cold
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
i see what u did there
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
ha in all seriousness tho i loved it it was the real thing
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
it was just it you know
needed more polar bears
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
all punning around aside i did think it was very good
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
btw i read the wikipedia season recaps before watching and im sure this is news to no one but the plots got kinda lurid in the later seasons huh
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
more lurid than first-season "I didn't know I was pregnant for 8 months"
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link
ya
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
having breaking down don hanging around that cliff was a nice foreboding touch
also don trying to school the blonde girl in his methods of inner and outer deception lol what a goon
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link
we can do this i will teach you how to live the lie
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link
I have noticed that most of these CONTEMPORARY GOLDEN AGE TV shows are kinda what we usta call soap operas, or in Grandma Morbius' case "my stories."
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
btw Letterman years ago used to drop "my stories" into his conversations with Paul and it killed me every time.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
we've had this debate every season. it's a melodrama, a very good one.
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
oh gosh lets not start on the soap opera thing again
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
im no mad men apologist but its obvs a lot more than a melodrama let alone a soap opera its concerned with society and shit cmon
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link
melodrama's can be concerned with society! i just dont see it as a dig. it's also middlebrow. that's also fine! it's ok everyone.
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
you can take it seriously too, if you want. you can analyze it if you like doing that. no one will laugh you.
"I trust we’ll see you here next year for episode one of Holloway-Harris: The Cocaine Years."
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/may/18/mad-men-recap-season-seven-episode-14-person-to-person-warning-spoilers
― clemenza, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link
― ryan, Monday, May 18, 2015 12:54 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i see weve reached the willfully obtuse soap operas are good actually stage in record time
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link
i specifically didnt say soap opera!
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link
"i quite enjoy the middlebrow vapidity of its metatextual analysis tbh, buy me a latte?"
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 16:59 (eight years ago) link
we can do this i will teach you how to live the lie― lag∞n, Monday, May 18, 2015 4:49 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Monday, May 18, 2015 4:49 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i will teach u how to become the man who drinks at work
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 18 May 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
i will teach you how to become... hamm
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
step 1: be at work
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
Joyce Carol Oates @JoyceCarolOates · 3h 3 hours agoCreator of "Mad Men" could not discover a single profound/ dramatic defining act for "Don Draper" w/ which to conclude saga.
...when old ppl tweeting goes wrong
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
Wow this was a great ending. I like the ambiguity of the very end too, it's just as plausible that after that last shot Don went back to work and made that ad, or 15 minutes later hysterically threw himself off the cliff.
Everyone got happy endings, so yay. So glad Joan got rid of that rich controlling jerk and is running her own business.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 May 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
hah that guy bolted at the first signs of life, so outta there
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link
nothing i've said is pejorative. i pretty much love this show unreservedly, flaws and all. im using melodrama as a loose classification for a type of storytelling that the show generally engages in. beautiful people behaving badly and, often, as you put it, pretty "lurid" plots. soap opera doesnt fit because they tend to be more or less open ended.
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
i feel like the ppl detracting from the finale wanted there to be some sort of explosive ending, and like, what the fuck, this isn't breaking bad or an action show, he was never gonna die dramatically onscreen or do some otherwise insane huge gesture
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
nor was anyone else
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link
there are aspects of melodrama but if someone was like what kind of show is this and you were all "a melodrama" that wld not be a very good description
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link
haha fair enough--and not totally different from what im trying to say!
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link
Thought it was funny all the warnings Roger was throwing out, so glad they didn't kill off any characters on screen. People are horrible.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 May 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link
it's a melodrama, a very good one.
― ryan, Monday, May 18, 2015 12:52 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link
you can quote the rest of what i said too!
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
anecdote in this Salon wrapup def captures the mind of the typical "creative director":
“Mad Men” owes an enormous debt to “The Conquest of Cool” by Thomas Frank, a 1997 academic text that examines how what we see as the progressive, inclusive themes of the ’60s were in fact outright manufactured by advertisers in order to mold a new generation of consumers and a new kind of “hip consumerism.” It’s a book that changed the way I thought about the era—and irrevocably affected the way I see advertising, too. It’s also a book that articulates the really awful truths underpinning “Mad Men.” Don Draper didn’t write that advertisement because someone named Bob Backer did; Don didn’t believe in his meditation at Big Sur because, among other things, he never existed. But people did go to Big Sur to attempt to make their lives better; people chanted “om” many times, hoping for peace and harmony. Irony and cynicism prevent us from really feeling that Don might have gotten somewhere with his meditations in California. But that’s just because we’ve all learned our lessons too well—if there is something true or pure or beautiful in the world, then someone has made it into an advertisement to sell a product. We distrust because we know better...
One line from Coca-Cola’s official history of “I’d Like to Buy the World a Coke” made me laugh. Billy Davis, the music director for the Coke account, had a problem with the idea for the spot when it was pitched to him. He said: “Well, if I could do something for everybody in the world, it would not be to buy them a Coke… I’d buy everyone a home first and share with them in peace and love.” Backer, the creative director, responded with one of the most confident, full-of-shit lines of spin in history: “OK, that sounds good. Let’s write that and I’ll show you how Coke fits right into the concept.”
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/18/mad_men_finale_recap_someday_people_are_going_to_brag_that_they_worked_with_you/
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 May 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
― ryan, Monday, May 18, 2015 12:52 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
never mind.
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
just admit that u were playing the role of condescending soap operas are good actually guy in this conversation and we can move on
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:19 (eight years ago) link
i wonder if they'd already planned this ending when roger dropped acid. both him and don going through the counterculture to reach a life epiphany that somehow just allows them to go on being themselves
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:20 (eight years ago) link
yikes im sorry if i came across condescending but i literally did not mean to be "soap operas are actually good" because i don't really think they're good or bad? just a thing that's out there. like melodramas and middlebrow entertainment. im for it all, if it's done well. peace!
― ryan, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
nothing personal im just a student of this conversation and its patterns
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 May 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link