Where do I start with K-Pop?

Bruh we've hung out together before. Lol.

i also think k-pop songs that absorb and amplify pop traditions i.e. its occasional extremely rich fidelity to r&b and disco are about as interesting as if not moreso than "songs that sound like five songs"

obv i'm not pitching a pfork list

meaning i don't think a unique good thing beats a good thing every time

jeez.

soyrev, i like you but you're doing yourself no favours by waving around your k-pop bonafides like this. everyone around here knows who you are and what you do, and though you might have immersed your whole life in korean culture in recent years, my go-to person on ILM is still abcfsk who was here long before you and whose tireless campaigning got most of us all listening in the first place. there's really no point playing musical upmanship on a place like ILM anyway - no matter how much korean music you listen to or how well you speak the language it's not going to change anyone's opinion or how they feel about "Missing You".

not sure why you're so defensive anyway, all most of us are saying is that for a newcomer to the music, "Missing You" isn't the best representative of 2NE1 OR k-pop OR "weird k-pop". like there are a million structurally weird k-pop songs that are arguably way more effective ("I Got A Boy", for one) and 2NE1 has so many other songs other than IATB that are also interesting and belongs on a K-pop primer e.g "Fire", which is imo the greatest debut of any K-pop group ever, and also unique within k-pop with its dancehall and bhangra influences (2NE1's genuine love for dub/reggae/dancehall and their ability to incorporate those sounds into their music mark them as unique among k-pop groups in general too).

my personal beef w Missing You as an intro song is that it showcases nothing of 2NE1's varied personalities which most of their other hits do, or why they're a group that's worthy of further listening. i also agree with brad that as weird as the song is, it also sounds somewhat unfinished. (personally think the Winner cover is superior - by tweaking the arrangement, they at least managed to make the song and its various parts a lot more coherent both structurally and emotionally, while still keeping its weirdness intact. their version also works because Winner is a) not-so-secretly a ballad group, whereas 2NE1 is not and b) are better at harmonising.)

waving around bona fides when someone personally calls you out on basis of how long you've been on a message board and how long you've been listening to a "genre" of music...irrational for sure (still laughing that i called 龜's condescension definitively onehallyu...and turns out s/he is literally _the_ onehallyu goon who had a witchburning campaign for me on those forums XD)

i also appreciate that you mention "i got a boy" as something better to have put on the list...when "i got a boy" is also on the list. this entire back and forth was fueled by people shading my shit apparently without having read it, so not a surprise (i also link to the winner cover in the article, gratuitous rap verses really weigh it down but it's an excellent version to have)

Missing You is different in an amateurish way, slapped together to form a lesser thing, and also, as Roz says, doesn't really sell us on anything of what's special about the 2NE1 girls themselves. Which might be its worst sin.

Slightly off-topic, a release I think isn't held up as a landmark k-pop song often enough is U-Go-Girl. Maybe because it stands in isolation among Hyori's releases.

Lol dude. As someone who knows you irl and has hung out with you before, I'm telling you to slow yr roll. It's nagl dude.

i'm just gonna let the creepiness of that sit and not ruin its mystery

speaking of creepiness I think I was spotted looking at a k-pop website at my office job the other day. I wanted to hear a song, and the site loaded with a picture of some girls in skirts looking, like, much younger than they probably were -_-

Going to start here:

So I have just been catching up on the day’s discourse, and good GOD, Weetman v K-pop is *special*: pic.twitter.com/aiHcAi7NEQ

— William Kedjanyi (@KeejayOV2) September 24, 2020

lol what exactly prompted this?

An utter garbage Weetman post but I don't know how the K-pop army got involved

it turns out the legions of K-Pop fans are much more adept at ripping the shit of fools than the shitposting UK twitter left!

Time to give to listen to some K-pop

I am sorry she is not dealing with K-Pop stan. She is dealing with ARMY. We are a socially conscious diverse group, not a political group. But we condemn racism. We are adults with every single skillset available. She should have stayed out of our way. https://t.co/YhjRQ9zMYz

— ˗ˏˋTia∞⁷ˎˊ˗ (Stream BB #1ˣ² ☝️ #BTS_Dynamite) 💥💜 (@MrsTOH2O) September 24, 2020

Thus has now been written up:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2020/09/25/btss-achievements-and-massive-global-fan-base-speak-much-louder-than-their-racist-critics/amp/?