Spotify - anyone heard of it?

Please less Spotify algorithms trying to figure out what to play and more crowdsourcing.

indie run

carefully curated artisanal exercising is the future

please god just pay some lawyers to innovate this shit into sustainability

lmao @ dumb suits

He says that the music player interface hasn’t changed in 15 years.

idk it's not spotify's job to make sure the label pays its royalties

i agree. but when you sign contracts with major labels that will clearly benefit them at the expense of artists - "loopholes" is a dubious way to describe spotify getting to take 15% off the top before accounting for gross profits, and sony getting millions in ad spots to sell - you don't also get to say you're looking out for artists. again, i'm just saying this doesn't make spotify look good.

Spotify is having music specially composed for runs

Cool are they funding a new Kraftwerk album?

What's wrong with running to music with which you're already familiar?

We haven't changed how we run to music for 15 years, Johnny. It's time for a revolution.

xxxp it makes spotify look good in the sense that they were being blamed for the low royalty rates but it turns out that they aren't the ppl benefiting from those low rates. so they look better. it doesn't make them look like valiant crusaders for artist rights, however -- i negotiate prices for things every day. i buy things from companies and i sell things to companies (nb not in the music industry) and i write + sign lots of contracts for those transactions. i never inquire about how the company allocates its profits among employees - i don't know whether they use a fair profit-sharing program, whether they pay competitive industry rates, or whether they pay adequate commissions. i don't see it as my job to investigate the practices the company pursues w/ its employees. and i don't fault another company for signing a contract w/ Sony that doesn't benefits Sony's artists. that's 100% Sony's job. Not spotify's.

Update, 16:46 BST: Tiësto’s had to create music at a higher BPM than usual so it can work for running.

normal music won't work see?

like if i do a deal with a company and they set up the contract in such a way that they don't have to pay a salesperson a commission on the job - i probably wouldn't even notice! i pay attention to the stuff that matters to my company. xp

i use spotify while driving my car that i use so i don't have to run places

it doesn't make them look like valiant crusaders for artist rights, however -

i really wish you'd stopped here - which is basically what i said - instead of going into some condescending "do you understand how negotiations/capitalism/business works" bullshit that assumes i said something else

but why should they look like valiant crusaders for artist rights? they're not a non-profit pro-artist company.

be careful driving to hiBPM Tiësto
xp

like the criticism of spotify to date has been, ime, 'spotify is not paying artists enough royalties for their songs.' to switch that to 'spotify is not working hard enough to make sure sony is paying artists enough royalties for their songs' is some weird goal post movement.

mordy you're free to look up spotify's old pr defenses about how they're looking out for artists, indie labels, etc but i'm not going to do it for you because you're clearly determined to argue against cases i'm not making

"Crowdsourcing" and "Spotify algorithms" are really two different ways of talking about the same process, not competing alternatives.

Also, they went past it quickly in the presentation, but there's a running mode where it combines tempo-detection and your own listening to match your personal taste to your running pace. You don't have to listen to Tiesto unless you want to. Although I admit that I thought the tempo-morphing running-soundtrack didn't seem like a thing I would personally use, but then I tried it and thought it was actually pretty compelling.

i use spotify while driving my car that i use so i don't have to run places

This is me too, tbh. The last time I ran for any reason was trying to catch my neighbor's dog who'd gotten out of his yard last year.

thing is, however fast you're running, you should always be trying to keep your footstrike rate around 180bpm. having slower music is just encouraging you to run in a less efficient way (if you slow down your cadence, you lose the natural bounce in your run). maybe have calmer sounds for slower running, but you don't really want less bpm (unless it's 90bpm of course) xp

I just want to be able to star songs while running.

Just kidding, I don't run with music.

i would keep stopping to see what the track was, it would be frustrating

I just want to be able to star songs while running.

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I bike to the clip of maron's whining

@Glenn - I'm thinking more of trying to promote playlist-creators as user-curators than just trying to have Spotify guess what I personally would want to hear. For example, there's a dude named Reggie Prim (no idea who he is) who consistently creates great playlists full of new, semi-obscure stuff. I love listening to his playlists, and it seems like Spotify should try to promote people like that who do the work of sifting through piles of new releases to find the good stuff.

Also, I feel like there should be more work done around being able to create stations from your friends list. I'd like to be able to exclude poor-taste-having friends, or organize friends into groups, or trust their taste for one genre but not another. Obv this is not something everyone wants to do, and maybe some of this is being done behind the scenes with thumbs-up/down, but I feel like Spotify has tried to obscure the social aspects of the program lately, especially in the mobile app. Maybe I'm wrong.

thing is, however fast you're running, you should always be trying to keep your footstrike rate around 180bpm
Tiesto reaching back to his old hardcore days.

I hear you, schwantz, and agree that there's a lot of room to do more with friends and other people's playlists.

all I want is to be able to search by username to find people. since I don't use FB, the only way (that I've figured out) for me to add a friend I know irl is to find a playlist they are following, and click on their profile through that. The same with friends who want to add me - they have to find some ILX playlist on their computer and search through all the users to get to my profile.

That is actually in the mobile app now, which I discovered after getting all huffy about it. Just input the user's name into the search dialog.

I only use the desktop one :(

It might work there too?

well I really don't want to update my version, but I'll check

Yes, you can search for people by username or actual name. In the desktop version, too!

If only every "all I want is..." were this easy...

I downgraded a while back to keep the apps (love the playlists.net app!), so I guess I lose out on this one.

I downgraded so I didn't have an enormous buggy piece of shit anymore, I am now v happy with my spotify experience and I wish them all the best with their innovative running features :-)

friends! friends! friends! what are you doing. this is a fool's errand. give in & upgrade y'all

I'm personally sympathetic to people trying to hold out until Ctrl-F comes back...

nike fit did the whole hiring artist to make music for you to run to iirc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O84WZkbFaLc
de la soul too i think?

that's a pretty shitty audiosurf track

i don't see music that matches your running tempo really setting the world on fire as a music discovery mechanism. dunno i could be wrong. (surely even better would be morphing the beat, a la ableton live, so that whatever vaguely house-tempo dance music you're listening to automagically matches your footsteps?)

in general though the durability of radio (and linear television), and the rise of the subscribable playlist, really reinforces the fact that most people just want something handed to them on a silver platter rather than having to decide each invidivual thing. i wouldn't be surprised if netflix started a set of "channels" that serve up content automatically in an effort to mimic broadcast tv. i can't tell you the number of times i've fired up netflix, searched around for upwards of 15 minutes and then just turned the TV off out of fatigue.

although I just youtubed "audiosurf hardest track" and according to youtube's algorithm it is "thousand" by moby, so, uh

i can't tell you the number of times i've fired up netflix, searched around for upwards of 15 minutes and then just turned the TV off out of fatigue.

pretty much the modern equivalent of just flipping through the channels without actually watching anything.

I also do the same thing with music. Sometimes spend the majority of my time on public transport just trying to figure out what I want to listen to.

http://www.theonion.com/video/netflix-introduces-new-browse-endlessly-plan-35308

spotify needs to curate more music for marathon f-zero sessions

tired of this slow bpm music fucking Captain Falcon's #vibe

algo would probably be limited to something like playing
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/Guster_-_Lost_and_Gone_Forever.jpg
when you've selected
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fzero/images/d/df/GusterX.gif/revision/latest?cb=20080420030948

tbf, antonio guster's theme hasn’t changed in nearly 15 years