MAD MEN on AMC - Seasons 7(a) & & 7(b)

Well she must have heard something to the effect of him still having his job. I don't see why Peggy would make something like that up.

Forgot about his secretary being fired. Doh.

I read Peggy sympathetically implying that he could get his job back as her expressing faith in his ability to fix things (which he has demonstrated many times before), not that they were holding his job for him - which, tbh, why would they

Cos he's under contract and everyone knows he does this sort of thing.

McCann has been wanting the dude to work for them for years

it's not like he fucked up a client meeting like he did in the Hershey pitch--he just has taken off for six months. he's powerful enough to walk back in and get his job back

he is not powerful at McCann

and his boss was pretty obviously fed up with him in the previous episode

his boss? you mean the one who made him say I'm Don Draper and I work at McCann?

I think he'll get over it

he may not be powerful enough at mccann but he's powerful/convincing enough to talk his way into a job

he called don his white whale

i wonder if that makes Peggy Queequeg

he's powerful/convincing enough to talk his way into a job

for the "Don made the coke ad" narrative to pan out, he doesn't need just A job, he needs a job at McCann. And his old boss was plenty pissed at him after the walkout, and had clearly soured on the buyout seeing as how two-thirds of the team he bought walked out on him. But I assume that on some level he either wanted to own them or put them out of business - his main thing was that he didn't want to compete with them anymore, so if they quit the industry hey McCann still wins.

idk this argument is boring, you guys aren't gonna convince me that this is anything more than hypothetical

Forgot about his secretary being fired. Doh.

Ha, I just now linked Meredith's parting words re. always landing on her feet with Shirley's "We should put a bell on you" comment...Meredith is a cat

It might not be a knowing smirk, it might be a genuine smile of enlightenment.

don draper, inventor of "bitchy resting face"

it could also be a commentary on the smugness of the culture of enlightenment, how that self-satisfied look doesn't seem at all out of place.

Whether it's a knowing self-congratulatory smirk or not has been a subject of many discussions and debates on dualism/non-dualism and the science of yoga for thousands of years.

just look at this smug asshole, who does he think he is
http://www.positivelife.ie/dev/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/buddha-smile.jpg

LOL

lol

sesame street showing up was telling -- one of the first significant cross-cultural groupings of people in a mainstream pop culture product, and then the coke commercial rides its coattails in a way.

the "integrated" cast of sesame street was a big deal and really did make a lot of people uncomfortable! and obv civil rights advances are making people uncomfortable. so it's an interesting climate for teaching the world to sing in perfect harmony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSIXreOEmzU&index=42&list=PLVY6n7Jrvk_RV_cvTfCW6vtnao1AztWpX

Would McCann have had to pay Don off at least some of the substantial sum he was due? Given he disappeared for ages I dunno, but if they were resolved to having to pay him a few million either way (especially given they've already done so in buying the agency), it's conceivable they might have gone "fuck it, let's see if we get anything at all out of this". Otherwise in their mind they're basically paying however many million dollars for Ted Chaugh.

In any case it's been fairly well established that Don can talk his way out of virtually any professional hole of his own making.

he could've just sold them the idea freelance as a piece of intellectual property, like what freddie rumsen was doing once he got sober (with his own ideas, and then don's when don was on his enforced SC&P hiatus)

Would McCann have had to pay Don off at least some of the substantial sum he was due?

they already paid Don. If he walked away (which he did) he owes THEM money.

i thought this argument was boring

One thing that's cool about this show is I don't see people talking about much is it didn't stay past it's welcome and in fact seemed to end just at the right time

idk this argument is boring, you guys aren't gonna convince me that this is anything more than hypothetical
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 17:17 (1 hour ago)

I think right now, until it fades, it's a really interesting argument. Not being able to convince you, that's a different thing.

x-post: weeell, actually Mad Men is kinda the longest running of the major shows. 92 hours (tv-hours of 45 min each). Wire is 60, Sopranos is 86, Deadwood only 36, Breaking Bad is 62. The idea that Mad Men didn't overstay is more about it being consistently good, than about it not running too long. It ran a looong time. And it was awesome to the end!!!

Mad Style is up:

http://tomandlorenzo.com/2015/05/mad-style-person-to-person/

omg @ the kittens on the Hokusai in Peggy's office, totally didn't see that

i liked the mad style write-up but one costuming note that struck me that wasn't mentioned: don's white shirt in the final scene. on one hand, it's the same white shirt he's always worn, iconic don draper. on the other, given it's setting and how he wears it -- no tie, untucked, collar & cuffs undone -- it almost looks like a spiritual garment as he chants. i thought it was very smart way of illustrating the confluence of a capitalism and new-age spirituality happening in that moment, both in the show's narrative arc and in american culture at large.

also can't believe I didn't recognize Billie Jean in the Esalen scenes - gah!

great T&L piece as usual

"they already paid Don. If he walked away (which he did) he owes THEM money."

This is incorrect. The amounts are contingent on fulfillment of the contract (see Joan).

It's pretty clear that if Don wanted to come back Jim Hobart at the very least would welcome him with open arms.

i'm not sure if "amounts are contingent" is exactly right.

if they fulfill their contract, they get a certain amount (joan's share would have been $500,000). if t hey walk away, they get bupkis. joan was offered $250,000 if she dropped her threats to sue, and she took it.

btw $250,000 in 1970 is $1,512,384 in 2015. in other words, pretty sweet, but not enough for joan and her kid to live on for decades, even though she seems to be frugal by the standards of her colleagues.

Paul Johansson is a prick, apparently:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/susancheng/paul-johansson#.puadZgLgy4

Mad Style so good, and the only interpretation of the fridge guy scene I've read so far that rings true to me. It's about Don feeling intense empathy not just for that one guy, but for all the people that see his ads. I don't see why him going back and making the Coke ad has to be a cynical move, at least in his mind.

"if they fulfill their contract, they get a certain amount (joan's share would have been $500,000). if t hey walk away, they get bupkis. joan was offered $250,000 if she dropped her threats to sue, and she took it."

That seems pretty contingent on fulfilling the contract, but whatever.

halfway through the new batch.

eff mccann

what is the deal with this waitress? why is don in racine?

joan is so fucking cool

oh no it's fuck dillips

(sorry i was drinking before watching)

i like how advising people to abandon everything, even their children, and "move forward" is such a "thing" with don

this new guy with joan is so needy and pass ag he sucks

spoiler alert:

http://time.com/3891861/mad-men-finale-don-draper-jon-hamm-matthew-weiner-coke-ad-recap/

damn that's a surprise, i thought they'd skillfully duped the 95 per cent of people who weren't willfully contrarian enough to assume the flagrantly obvious literal ending was in fact what happened, just for the hell of it.

can they confirm betty did actually have cancer though? and that lane is dead?

i mean did we see lane being buried?

"But he did ask David Chase about if Peggy would ever confess to Pete about the baby, and if it’d be difficult for her to then look at kids. “She will have a psychological scar,” Chase told Weiner, who then decided that Pete would stay in the dark."

Wait what? Doesn't she reveal this to Pete way way back in Season 2??!?!?!