wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.
I remember reading in some sociology textbook that certain Buddhist communities in Asia have had virtually no violent crime at all, but I can't find any information on that online right now. I probably shoudln't have used the word "society", since what I was talking about was small, geographically limited communities. Anyway, I don't really think there are any psychological disorders that people are born with, certainly not ones that automatically lead to a murder spree. Or can you name any?
― Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 08:13 (fourteen years ago) link
There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.
Just... what.
― one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:46 (8 hours ago) Bookmark
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090330/twl-man-murders-his-sisters-at-birthday-3fd0ae9.html
― Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (fourteen years ago) link
The policeman broke into the house and witnessed Revelus decapitating five-year-old Bianca, whose birthday cake was on the kitchen table.
Thanks for highlighting that.
― Say what you like Professor Words (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 30 March 2009 12:11 (fourteen years ago) link
really belongs on one of those "what the fuck is wrong with people/nuclear holocaust in 3 seconds" threads :-/
doesn't get much more fucked-up than that
― Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Why do I even look at these threads?
― i'm shy (Abbott), Monday, 30 March 2009 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I still can't believe that story. (Sadly, I can believe it happened in the Boston area.)
― BADGES DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO WALTZ OFF WITH A BABY (HI DERE), Monday, 30 March 2009 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I really wish I hadn't even looked at this thread.
― Event Horizon (Nicole), Monday, 30 March 2009 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/nyregion/04hostage.html?hp
now with extra xenophobia. Yay, America.
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Friday, 3 April 2009 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
^^ Huge conclusion-jump in that post -- see other thread for context
P.S. Re: the above thing about mental illness and society, I'm pretty sure most everything we know indicates that lots of deep mental illness has a big biological component, but the behavior that illness actually results in is heavily shaped by culture and environment.* But a lot of this is environment/culture in the kind of deep-down way that you can't exactly just decide to change one day.
* E.g., there are minor neuroses (like weird phobias) that are common and specific to certain cultures
― nabisco, Friday, 3 April 2009 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Countries with stricter gun control like Britain and Japan (I think) have fewer shooting sprees and drive bys than we do in America. I think there are countries where cops don't even regularly carry guns.
― i have very little to do right now and wanted to make a comment (sarahel), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
and yet Japan has highest suicide rate in the world
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
also they grope womens on the train
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
and work way too hard and enjoy rape porn
also cartoons with school girls with penises.
― i have very little to do right now and wanted to make a comment (sarahel), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Americans don't enjoy rape porn AT ALL.
― i have very little to do right now and wanted to make a comment (sarahel), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, yes, limited access to guns is a pretty obvious physical way of keeping people from behaving certain ways with them
― nabisco, Friday, 3 April 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I was using that as an obvious example of behavior being shaped by culture and environment. Maybe if the Japanese had as easy access to guns as Americans do, they'd be less into rape porn and shoot each other more.
― i have very little to do right now and wanted to make a comment (sarahel), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
The fact that a country has a social problem doesn't imply anything about the success/failure of its gun control policies, does it?
"Country X places a high prices on tobacco products and as a result few of their citizens smoke nowadays.""Yeah, but Country X's students score poorly on Science and Reading Comprehension."
??
― I f'd up the word rear (Z S), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe we should be arming Japanese when they come to US just to see.
― Monkey Pocket Boob (libcrypt), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link
this is where i'm from. trying to get in touch with my mother, but she's a hospital administrator right down the road from the shooting and likely is very busy atm. she left me a voicemail earlier saying everything was ok, so im hoping for the best, but i'm really freaking out right now
― lol .xlsior (k3vin k.), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Here's hoping she and staff are working well and helping people
― nabisco, Friday, 3 April 2009 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Best wishes to you and yr ma, k3vin.
― Monkey Pocket Boob (libcrypt), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Japan has had several mass killings in recent years, but thankfully the death tolls have been smaller. The attackers have used knives. Gun violence is very unusual in Japan and usually involves organized crime hits.
xpost
― Super Cub, Friday, 3 April 2009 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Aum Shuriya bitchez
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Shinrikyo even
god I can't type today
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah when i first saw the headline all it said was new york state (i.e., not nyc) so i kind of gasped but i am not from that part, glad yr mom is ok k3vin
― goaty (harbl), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
talked to my mom, everyone we know is ok. my stepfather performed surgery on one of the '5 taken to a hospital' and he is going to live. it's a pretty small city with shitty internal communication, so my mom said they thought there were going to be around 40 deaths earlier, but now it appears there will be under 20.
― lol .xlsior (k3vin k.), Friday, 3 April 2009 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link
i have a feeling we'll be seeing more and more of these.
― Beatrix Kiddo, Friday, 3 April 2009 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
> ^^ Huge conclusion-jump in that post -- see other thread for context
It's my specialty. I'm not just going to give it up.
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Friday, 3 April 2009 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/03/state/n092921D51.DTL&tsp=1
Killer Santa used coke before rampage.
― i have very little to do right now and wanted to make a comment (sarahel), Friday, 3 April 2009 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link
― Beatrix Kiddo, den 3 april 2009 20:10 (3 hours ago) Bookmark
feels like we are already?
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 3 April 2009 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link
3 police officers killed in Pittsburgh. The carnage continues.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/us/05pittsburgh.html?hp
― Super Cub, Saturday, 4 April 2009 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags
or not, since the shooter was an immigrant. small relief, for some reason.
― moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 4 April 2009 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link
strange as it sounds, it is possible for immigrants to be xenophobic.
― Super Cub, Saturday, 4 April 2009 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
rolling 2008 disgruntled shootings thread
― Dr. Phil, Saturday, 4 April 2009 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
dr phil in behind the times shocker
― prostitutes all over the place (k3vin k.), Saturday, 4 April 2009 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
And so it continues :(
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/04/5-children-father-found-d_n_183207.html
― youcangoyourownway, Sunday, 5 April 2009 10:29 (fourteen years ago) link
guh guys killing their entire family and then themselves is like a fucked up category all its own. and in everyone of these stories there's a neighbor or someone saying "eh, he seemed like a nice guy"
― goaty (harbl), Sunday, 5 April 2009 13:20 (fourteen years ago) link
yep, bottling up all that depression and rage away from the neighbors is key to the formula
― Nhex, Monday, 6 April 2009 07:12 (fourteen years ago) link
i am calm in the knowledge that every neighbour i've had thinks i'm a surly asshole
― balls by titleist (electricsound), Monday, 6 April 2009 07:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent
― iatee, Monday, March 30, 2009 3:13 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
bambuti pygmies
― CHOIRS OF TUPPENCE (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 April 2009 07:45 (fourteen years ago) link
guh guys killing their entire family and then themselves is like a fucked up category all its own.
This is about ownership -- or, even more creepily, a deep-seated belief that your wife and kids are really just extensions of you, and your failure is their failure. Cannot emphasize this enough.
Sure it's a tragedy for all parties but forgive me if I can't find any sympathy for men who emotionally, deep down, believe that kind of thing. "Since I can't care for this thing I created, it is mine to take out of the world when I go."
― guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link
or, indeed, women.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Sure. But that's a different phenomenon.
― guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link
i think it's the same dynamic, whether it's fuelled by power (in the cases by father) or despair (as the few high profiles cases involving mothers in ireland have maybe been), though- "you can't go on without me".
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link
lol
― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Hmm. Maybe you've had more cases in the news involving mothers -- I don't feel like that's very high-profile here. Seems like...we think mothers kill from post-partum depression or anger/frustration (shaken baby syndrome), but we don't have the ownership thing so much.
― guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe you've had more cases in the news involving mothers
yeah, definitely (ireland). whether that's a reporting thing or otherwise, it's hard to say, but i don't think it would account for all of it (a guy killing his family would still be front page news in a country this size, but i suppose a mother even more so).
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link
It's an interesting question whether it's in the reporting, or in the different societal conceptions of mothers that apply different pressures to people.
― guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, and none of them can be separated from the social conditions within Philadelphia. I’ve helped bury kids shot in gang beefs, trust me I know what the stakes are and what’s going on in the city where I live.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 March 2024 03:20 (three weeks ago) link
A guy in Toronto fired at pro-Palestine protesters the other day. With a nail gun. Nobody injured. So glad we don’t have our equivalent of the 2nd Amendment. Yet.
― It was on a accident (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 7 March 2024 04:27 (three weeks ago) link
3 dead in Levittown, shooter on the run
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/breaking-suspect-sought-multiple-killed-levittown-shooting/3805011/
― StanM, Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:06 (one week ago) link
Every time this thread is revived I despair.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 16 March 2024 18:18 (one week ago) link