KaraGarga invite

kinda sweating it atm tbh

:/

--- An update on the ongoing KG downtime ---

Our apologies to all our users for the downtime and lack of updates on the situation. Here's the order of events from the last few weeks:

- your kind donations paid for the next 12 months of web hosting.

- BREIN lodged a complaint with our host. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREIN

- we are still online at this point. we began planning how to handle the situation, then...

- an anonymous complaint to our domain registrar lead to suspension of our domain. this prevents your computer from translating karagarga.net into the IP address for our server.


We have disabled access to the main website and tracker. The forum is still accessible with a workaround (see below). No data has been lost or leaked and we hope to see you all soon.
- KG staff

Is the demise of KG inevitable? I'm also curious how people who use it for research or teaching feel about copyright for some of this stuff.

BREIN seem like the copyright equivalent of patent trolls. Scumbags.

The forum is still accessible with a workaround (see below)

the generally pretty marginal mandate of KG always made it feel like it was kind of off the grid, to me, something that might just quietly exist on the sidelines for a long while. & i hope even if not, it would align with the succession trend of busted networks usually reasonably organically reforming elsewhere. i can't really imagine it in a fugitive, international-domain-suffix-hopping state, but who knows i guess.

the parameters of 'some of this stuff' are probably key when you talk copyright but i feel like the calculus regarding rights & access is still very positive. teachers being able to show things that are primarily inaccessible because they're out of circulation/out of licensing/or are not readily available is, i think, a bigger category of usage than screening things that are deliberately or restrictively not on dvd. it's complicated to use fair use agreements because you're invoking the law while ignoring the sorta flagrant copyright breaching element of the same law, but: i think educational use of a tv or vhs rip or a documentary for which there's a rights minefield &c comports with the spirit of fair use, is important & laudable &c. & re: research, i do feel like an initial breach of copyright is often preceding a legitimate screening, now. so many programmers lean on kg.

vague memories that you research/teach, admrl, so would love to hear your reservations or to be called out on my swashbuckling libertarian defence if you're less cavalier.

pastebin.com/deHQDjgd xp

i used KG to snag a copy of a chinese movie to show in class last year, the teacher was v impressed

Yeah - as you say, I teach and I use KG for research. I don't believe I've ever shown anything from KG publicly in class (maybe a clip or two) and in most cases, being able to see something on there has resulted in us purchasing an educational copy for our collection. I know a few filmmakers who have work on there and only one of them has objected to it, after which it was removed. But I also know some filmmakers for whom educational/institutional sales provide at least some meager reward and I understand their objections.

Overall, I think its an incredible resource that probably results in a lot of good critical writing and creative production and I probably take it a little for granted. The humorlessness of some of the people in the community is also tempted by a lot of great, enthusiastic and generous members. The subtitling efforts always really impress me.

kg's comic library has been massively eye opening and the ability to dip into the vast movie stream to find obscure OOP films has been a huge boon. the bibliographical material does tend to be top notch.

i was planning on watching bronco bullfrog!

thanks for that post, admrl. good to hear. i know with ubuweb there was an evolution between them calling out non-participants, & moving towards reaching some sort of acquiescence, either through compliance in removing films or in meaningful compromise (like with michael snow, who asked for certain films to be taken down & supported the hosting of others), & it's nice to think that that's practiced in a setting that could otherwise be pretty craven. by virtue of being a hungry consumer i'm obviously partisan but i do think - again generally - that the circulation of the bulk of out-of-print/restricted-by-access-or-credential stuff is culturally positive, enriching. the subtitling is totally exemplary of the best, utopian-kinda elements of the internet; i've heard the same sort of stories about anime communities, & really organic, collaborative, supportive working models put together by volunteers in service of the material. i am just going to lazily throw the humourlessness of some participants under the umbrella of what morbius called aspect ratio people; i definitely like being able to cruise the forum just for like, cinephilic-shut-ins' deep-cut direct cinema recommendations.

That was actually a very poorly written post (mine, that is), but hopefully you still get what I'm saying! This is why I only usually post to ILX in short sentences.

Does the workaround work? Or has people migrated already? I'm looking for the films of Idrissa Ouedraogo, and the one I need the most is only available on vhs.

The workaround is only for the forum, Frederik, not the main site.

https://twitter.com/stefflbw

ty for that

not gonna lie: this has me v v sad right now

yay

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#karagarga

:D

back

I don't really need it tonight, but so reassuring.

it's not back for me!

same but #i #believe #frederik

use .in

ooo

yay. looks like it's gonna be awhile till it's at full strength again.

so which one of you is judex?

https://twitter.com/judexredux

YES!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USR3bX_PtU4

overloaded :>

http://i.imgur.com/7gI1dwk.jpg

So, KG has stopped giving invites? I was on there for 10 years+, kept a good ratio, there are movies I've worked on up there even, but lost my account as I guess I had a an older, second one I never used and didn't even think about. No help on IRC and I can't access the forum.

http://i.imgur.com/7gI1dwk.jpg

Still trying nine months later! If you have a KG invite to spare, you will become my New Favorite Person.

I have folders and folders of stuff I can share, some of which is from my time on KG and a lot of which is likely unseeded. Otherwise, any advice on how to get on there? I'm not on other private trackers and find the whole thing a little daunting. I basically just want to be on KG and work on having a good ratio there...

Now post that stupid crow image.

https://i.imgur.com/H4sq6h8.gif

They had one of those forum-meltdown style "incidents" in 2015, and invitations have been disabled ever since. Mods are lazy/incompetent, so there's no news on if/when they're ever coming back, so as you might imagine the tracker is basically dying from a lack of fresh blood.

what are the details of that (vaguely)? it seems self defeating.

i did actually ask on behalf of adamrl about a year ago and didn't get any response.

It's unclear. If you ask about it they point to a dozen-page-long forum topic that's just a bunch of crosstalk. It seems like some people were selling invites, and/or it had something to do with the 2015 downtime and domain change

thanks, Dan.

adamrl, i forgot to get back to you about that, sorry.

No problem, Jed, I wasn't dropping a hint! Thank you for trying for me anyway, I really appreciate it.

F R E E L E E C H all this week

ty ty ty!

thanks!

Would hugely appreciate an invite if anyone here has one. Had an account 15 years ago but have no idea how to access it now. I'd be happy to throw some $$$ your way.

— Invitations are disabled while sitewide freeleech is active. They will re-enable 12 hours after it ends —

but i'll check again if u bump this after it ends and see if i have any

I tried in vain to get someone to reactivate Adam RL's account, fwiw.

it wasn't that no one would do it but that i couldn't get anyone to look at it.

Free leech all this week BTW

thx for the heads up

Does anyone have a kg or ptp invite perchance? Tryin' to get me mitts on some Hungarian documentary films made between the late 80s early 90s. As one can imagine, it has proved quite difficult. I don't have much to offer except... my friendship. :D