Taking sides: John Lennon vs Paul McCartney

LOL how George and Ringo were all "equal-ish" right there alongside Paul. He must have watched The Beatles Anthology too many times.

Last two posts otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCTYXXg9ZZI

the combo of manspread + sick burn at 2:03 is amazing

Meh, this is one of those "I'd imagine he has a point but maybe it wasn't expressed perfectly (or maybe it didn't translate all that well through the Daily Mail), thus enabling haters to hate" things.

http://www.bsmph.com/Attorneys/Paul-W-Mccartney.shtml
http://www.piercecouch.com/john-c-lennon/

Well, John wasn't "The Beatles", and nor was he responsible for every great song The Beatles wrote and recorded, so Paul is very much OTM. People often forget that before he was tragically murdered, Lennon was perceived as being washed up and past it.

Dude should be forced to watch Wingspan clockwork orange style until he accepts that he's gotten enough recognition

like how paul expects respect for being honest about his egomania

Why can't he be more like the humble Lennon? I put it to you, America!

[comedy Yoko accent]

fwiw, the originals on Please Please Me are credited to "McCartney - Lennon."

Yes, but McCartney should have been upper case, at the very least.

The year before Lennon died John was on year 4 of being a stay at home dad. Which must have taken some amount of humility.

In that year Paul released Back to the Egg (1979) featured McCartney's collaboration with a rock supergroup dubbed "the Rockestra". Credited to Wings, the band included Pete Townshend, David Gilmour, Gary Brooker, John Paul Jones and John Bonham.

Paul's ego is insatiable, I'm picturing a giant crevice in the earth, dumptrucks full of acclaim pulling up to try to fill it.... Go on, now, feed it some burning straw men labeled "How Dare People Say John Lennon Was The Beatles," never mind that this is not and never was a thing. Poor Paul, he's only had 35 years to set the record straight. I always thought it was unfair that John Lennon was murdered but I didn't realize it was especially unfair to Paul.

I'm not saying there's a picture of Paul McCartney in the dictionary as an illustration for the term "unreliable narrator." I'm saying that if you mentioned the concept of unreliable narrator to him, he'd tell you that he invented it.

never forget

As my wife said despondently an hour after the event: "Why is it always Bobby Kennedy or John Lennon? Why isn't it Richard Nixon or Paul McCartney?"

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/lennon-80.php

All he needs to do is release "Carnival of Light" maybe on RSD, get the Boredoms to do a remix on side B.

I'm saying that if you mentioned the concept of unreliable narrator to him, he'd tell you that he invented it.

heh

Nixon/McCartney did some good tunes together, man. Anyway, I'm so grateful not to have a spouse who records every crazy thing I say around the house for posterity (nor would I do that to my spouse).

Excuse me, McCartney/Nixon, if you don't mind.

Nixon version of "Let 'Em In" is incredible

Listen to what the crook said.

Listen to What the Man Said Using a Voice Activated Taping System Installed In Various Rooms in the White House

Pat

"paul's solo work really was the best, there's some real gems in there" must be the rock snob version of "you know, nixon really was a pretty good president."

Egomania, justified egomania ... I can only imagine how much effort it has taken Paul not to say something stupid about his erstwhile bandmates over the past several decades, let alone after George and John died. All in the name of I guess good taste, or deference to friends or family. If anything I sort of admire his restraint. Thumbs aloft!

"How Do You Sleep" is more dickish (and paranoid and largely unprovoked) than anything McCartney's done or said about Lennon.

As bad as convincing all the other Beatles to not quit the band and then without telling anyone publicly breaking up the band w a press release included in his solo album?

Lennon was a dick as well. Okay, end of discussion.

wait waht How Do You Sleep was in response to Too Many People, I thought...?

Following the release of McCartney's album Ram earlier that year, Lennon felt attacked by McCartney, who later admitted that lines in the song "Too Many People" were intended as digs at Lennon

"Too Many People" is the lamest, most passive aggressive "attack" ever. I think it's fine as a bass showcase and as an excuse to flaunt some excellent falsetto and addled Linda harmonies.

never forget

As my wife said despondently an hour after the event: "Why is it always Bobby Kennedy or John Lennon? Why isn't it Richard Nixon or Paul McCartney?"

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/lennon-80.php

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, July 6, 2015 10:35 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Bremer

TOO MANY REACHIN' FOR A PIECE OF CAKE!

"Too Many People" is the lamest, most passive aggressive "attack" ever.

well Lennon was def better at being nasty than Paul

I think it's fine as a bass showcase and as an excuse to flaunt some excellent falsetto and addled Linda harmonies.

this basically describes the first 25 years of his solo career

vdp otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaM6gTUTooc

As bad as convincing all the other Beatles to not quit the band and then without telling anyone publicly breaking up the band w a press release included in his solo album?

Yeah, issues with Klein and the Spector Let It Be here, I think.

Spector and Lennon refused to make the changes McCartney wanted on "The Long and Winding Road," which prompted McCartney's album/press release.

Lennon (and Harrison and Starr) had to later admit that Paul was right to resist bringing in Klein.

i can't even figure out which lines in Too Many People are supposed to be attacks on Lennon.

"Too many people preaching practices,
Don't let 'em tell you what you wanna be."

that one?

I don't think "Too Many People" is any more passive aggressive than "How Do You Sleep." It's more passive because the entire song doesn't seem to be about Lennon? If you're making that argument, you're accusing him of trying to hide the Lennon attack and I don't see why I should assume that that was the case.

For what it's worth, in an '84 interview he said that only the "preaching practices" and "took your lucky break" lines were about Lennon.

Too Many People is a song about people making mistakes, where he includes some mistakes he thinks a friend has made. How Do You Sleep is yelling in a guys face that he's an asshole. One is perhaps not entirely tactful. The other is nasty.

is it really any surprise that McCartney's attack song is a bunch of silly stoner gobbledygook and Lennon's is a bunch of overly literal vitriol

Van Dyke Parks' critique comes off a little silly for a guy going out of his way to look like Pepper-era Lennon.

"how do you sleep" is certainly the better song, that's maybe the best lennon-in-angry-mode moment on record.

That would make a good poll:

You Can't Do That
Run For Your Life
Working Class Hero
I Found Out
Gimme Some Truth
How Do You Sleep?

Others?

Sexy Sadie

Serve Yourself is a great late-period one

Best passive-aggressive George Harrison song would also be a good poll.

I look at you all. Try to see beyond yourself. I'll make you maybe next time around.

So you folks actually like it when he sings about wanting to kill women if they take other lovers than him?

i think the world had enough talk about the beatles in 1967, since then we are just incurring debts we will never be able to pay

Yeah great take !
And Klaus V certainly hadn’t smoked only Gitanes...
As for McCartney haters, they shouldn’t wish for his death because when that day comes, he and his music will be inescapable in all medias for a little while !

still waiting for McCartney to die (preferably in a public and horrible accident) so I can celebrate and piss off all the fucking awful hippies in my town who unironically listen to his worst Beatles tracks to this day

I hate him so much, more than any other musician I can think of except for the guys in Foreigner and Toto, and even they aren't as fucking annoying

so, yeah, Lennon.

― sleeve, Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:33 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know we all enjoy our internet hyperbole but please fuck off with wishing death on anyone because you don't like their music

man those sessions rule, good jammin from all