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the rippetoe 4 1/2 point setup for good deadlift form is (iirc):

1. FEET: feet under the bar, usually right over the laces of your shoes (exact middle of your foot from heel to toe)
2. HANDS: flop over the bar, get your grip set outside your shins. your arms should be up against your knees atp
3. SHINS: press your shins forward against the bar, holding it w/ your hands
4. CHEST: stick your chest and butt out to straighten your back
4 1/2. BUTT: sink your ass down (if you need to) so it's not a good morning. my flexibility and body shape are pretty wack so i have to take this one seriously

goole, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link

yes! i use those tips. i'm totally deliberate about my set up or i'm screwed

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link

i've also heard, w/r/t 4.5: shoulder above hips, hips above knees -- the guy that showed me how to do it i think put too much emphasis on keeping my hips high and when i checked my form in the mirror my hips and shoulders were nearly level

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link

shoulder above hips, hips above knees

like, directly above? that's... standing up, right? i'm having trouble visualizing this

goole, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link

no as in don't bend so far over that your shoulders are level with yr hips. so not like ~directly~ above, just generally

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link

basically what you were saying about accidentally doing a good morning

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link

oh i see yeah

i never know what to do with my neck

goole, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link

i seem to recall that in SS rippetoe basically says that the DL is the easiest lift to do, form-wise, in that the "right way" is so dependent on anatomy (short arms, long waists, etc) that as long as the way you're doing it isn't painful then you're all right? maybe i'm remembering that wrong

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link

i've heard him say that some people that are not built to do deadlifts can improve but will never have great form due to anatomy

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link

petition for new board I Love Deadlifts

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link

I <3 my trap bar for deadlifts and it was less than $100 on Amazon. It's kind of halfway between a squat and a deadlift - less technical than a squat, less taxing on the lower back than a deadlift.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link

I wish my gym had one of those. I probably have no business doing deadlifts with a regular bar.

ryan, Thursday, 23 July 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link

trap going hamstring

you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 July 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link

ya wld like to try that xp

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 July 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link

A friend asked me for exercises that isolated front quads because she tore her MPFL a couple years ago and has been compensating ever since, which has led to some atrophy in the affected leg. I tried to tell her that lunges and squats would help but she's adamant about specifically targeting her quads. Is there a way for me to better explain why she should work multiple muscle groups than just balance? And are there any other exercises besides squats and lunges?

:wq (Leee), Sunday, 2 August 2015 06:05 (eight years ago) link

Seated leg extensions, but you need a machine for that. Walking lunges should do the trick, weights in hand if she wants.

let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 2 August 2015 06:57 (eight years ago) link

The best way to correct her compensations is to focus on improving movement quality; isolating a particular muscle group is not necessarily going to improve her ability to stand, walk, dance, etc.

This makes more sense in the context of Gray Cook's other work, but here's an article on Isolation vs. Movement Patterns.

Brad C., Sunday, 2 August 2015 13:24 (eight years ago) link

So in addition to movement quality, working multiple muscles will help remap the muscle top the brain?
Forks, ankle weights can help with extensions, no?

:wq (Leee), Sunday, 2 August 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link

I.e. being able to do extensions at home without a machine.

:wq (Leee), Sunday, 2 August 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

I think work on bodyweight squats and lunges would be really important for your friend to do alongside, possibly, some quad-specific exercises. Natural, compound movements like squats and lunges help develop balance and stability, and progress on those moves is likely to transfer directly to normal movements in daily life. That transfer may or may not happen with isolation execises.

I'd recommend that anyone trying to improve or rehab movement quality do a self-screen and periodically re-screen to see how training is actually affecting quality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8G6jkEf1uI

Brad C., Sunday, 2 August 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link

Doing a bunch of Amosov assisted squats every morning helped immensely with my creaky knees (which probably had something to do with weak quads) - grab both sides of a doorknob and squat with shins parallel, repeat a couple dozen times. Grabbing the doorknob doesn't make it physically that much easier (in terms of weight moved) but taking balance out of the equation lets you do more of them quicker IME

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 2 August 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link

using ankle weights for leg extensions pulls the weight straight down as opposed to at an angle, like on a leg extension machine... can be problematic for the knee joint at levels that have impact. Wouldn't necessarily recommend it.

let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 2 August 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link

i'm about to go to the gym for the 5th time this month wow

computer champion (harbl), Saturday, 15 August 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link

in august i'm just lucky if i can tread water tbh

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 15 August 2015 23:58 (eight years ago) link

7 times now. i only went once in july because i was working too much. i think i'm finally "getting" overhead presses!!!!

computer champion (harbl), Saturday, 22 August 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link

i don't think i ever really got them :( tried for awhile, did not progress quickly at all, pulled my back a couple of times, that was enough for me

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 22 August 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link

i switched to alternating benching and pressing to just doing both on the same day because it's not like i do either heavy enough to get too tired. i have gone from struggling wet spaghetti to much stronger only somewhat floppy spaghetti in just a few weeks.

computer champion (harbl), Saturday, 22 August 2015 23:00 (eight years ago) link

switched to = switched from

computer champion (harbl), Saturday, 22 August 2015 23:01 (eight years ago) link

not an impressive number yet but it'll come. i have extremely long arms fyi

computer champion (harbl), Saturday, 22 August 2015 23:01 (eight years ago) link

also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v8OexNKrug

153kg (331lbs)

get ready to feel inspired or feel like shit

he's 14 years old there

F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 03:57 (eight years ago) link

like it's not even that hard for him

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 04:00 (eight years ago) link

Olympic Weightlifting is inspiring and terrifying, but who compares their lifts with 15yo phenomenons?

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 12:25 (eight years ago) link

300lb C&J is a goal of mine. but i weigh like 220 this kid is 160 lbs

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 12:43 (eight years ago) link

that ruled hard

goole, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link

lol

there is this guy at my gym, a 50ish guy, who wears a fanny pack that says OCEAN CITY all the time and he tries to lift dumbbells that are way too heavy for him and goes YEARGHHHHH. yesterday he asked me if i was training for a competition because i was "making notes." this week i am off work so i am eating a lot. i ate 204 grams of protein yesterday! so sw0le.

computer champion (harbl), Sunday, 6 September 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link

there are two "that guy"s at my gym. one is 50ish, has that burnt-orange fake tan going on, kind of chatty, fannypack, wears the most awful cologne that stinks up the whole gym and makes me want to puke. the other guy is 40ish, power lifter type, lifts very heavy, is very loud when he lifts, has some b.o. issues going on.

mattresslessness, Sunday, 6 September 2015 18:19 (eight years ago) link

i try not to judge the second guy but the first guy, ugh. putrid cologne is not ok.

mattresslessness, Sunday, 6 September 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link

it feels vaguely wrong to dislike people for smelling bad at a gym, but goddam buddy, you fucking stink right now

goole, Monday, 7 September 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link

people totally have control over how bad they smell at the gym. choosing not to exercise that control is dislikeable.

computer champion (harbl), Monday, 7 September 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link

i may have fixed my hip pain problem so i am barbell squatting again. i ordered shoes also.

computer champion (harbl), Monday, 7 September 2015 16:16 (eight years ago) link

guy at the gym came up to me shook my hand and said "you sir have magnificent calves... gimme"

ppl get kinda weird abt this shit

lag∞n, Saturday, 12 September 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link

feel bad for ppl trying to cultivate beautiful calves when they come naturally to me

lag∞n, Saturday, 12 September 2015 19:23 (eight years ago) link

"do you even squat bro?"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 12 September 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link

i have no calves because calves are genetic. i couldn't cultivate them if i tried.

computer champion (harbl), Saturday, 12 September 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link

'we must cultivate our calves' - swoltaire

balls, Saturday, 12 September 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link

lol

lag∞n, Saturday, 12 September 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link

wait calves are more genetic than yr other parts?

resulting post (rogermexico.), Sunday, 13 September 2015 02:50 (eight years ago) link

no that would make no sense. it's just some people can't grow them. my brother runs miles and miles every day and still nothing. i've never been able to have them.

computer champion (harbl), Sunday, 13 September 2015 02:53 (eight years ago) link


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