Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

fuckin bananas that they don't get their powers until more than half-way into the movie

AFAICT, the new FF movie essentially exists for the same reason that the original Corman FF does. Has there ever been a rights-retention spite production that was also a decent movie?

http://news.blog.gustavus.edu/files/2012/04/Origin-Story.jpg

also fuckin bananas that ACTION SEQUENCES in the trailer aren't in the movie - supercurious to know why one would decide cut those out of a superhero movie

http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/timeline-of-fantastic-fours-terrible-buzz.html?cx_navSource=latest-news-a

I think Fox's screenwriters and Marvel's publishing-side writers are all realizing the same thing, that in the post-Watchmen post-Bendis post-Millar landscape, the basic concept of the FF has too many dumb parts that require too much suspension of disbelief. A lot of the best FF stories from the last ten years have been sort of solo adventures with the rest of the family as bit players (given an infinite number of Reeds, some of them are going to turn out evil; Johnny spends a year dead in the Negative Zone for tax purposes). Franklin and Valeria are more interesting than the actual FF. There hasn't been a really great Ben Grimm story since "This Man This Monster" that I can recall, and he hasn't even shown up in Secret Wars (unless Doom is sitting on him). The character with the really interesting power set, Sue Richards, hasn't been developed that way she should because "lol girls, that won't sell" though hopefully that's changing.

#NERD

Nahhh, the FF aren't my favorite but they're generally only bad when they're mishandled by writers/creators who don't understand their strengths. The comics have been fairly strong for the better part of a decade now. I do agree that the emphasis on Franklin and Valeria is one of the best developments of late.

As far as the movie is concerned, Ultimate FF was probably the wrong source material to tap into, as it never really seemed to find it's footing or a voice of its own and no one's arc ever panned out in a way that was satisfactory to me (besides the interesting take on Evil Reed, which was never gonna make it into the movie).

I think the best route to take with some of these books that have been around forever like FF and Spider-Man is to expand and relegate focus onto a strong supporting cast as much as possible.

I think the best route to take with some of these books is to put the origin story in the first 10 minutes and then get on with the superheroing, or at least put some superheroing into the movie well before you hit the 60 minute mark

I've seen more than a few reviews that suggest the movie doesn't really get going until the last ten minutes or so...

lol that is an excellent way to plot a movie

u_u

I've been thinking they should have done it like Hickman's arc where one of them was supposed to die. Just an ungodly amount of happenings in fifty dimensions at once, where they all have to travel at the same time. Focus on the adventure, on the excitement. And loads of time-travel. They should get Stephen Moffat to write it.

But again the kids (at least to me) were often the most interesting part of that and I can't figure how put that on the big screen (though admittedly I haven't given it too much thought).

Not of that particular arc, though, right? They took over later, when it became the FF Foundation. Though of course, what I really want is an FF adaptation, with Dragon Man and all the rest. I have no idea who anybody was, but it was so charming.

Aah right, I only caught the latter part of it and got it confused with Fraction's run.

They should have saved the FF for Marvel Zombies.

kinda bummed that teller comes off like an asshole, he seems like a very good actor

um so the "MAN THING" movie is streaming on hulu now and i watched about twenty minutes, it is amazingly bad

wow i seriously never even heard of that

it was a placeholder to keep the rights, came out before marvel became MARVEL (but they have the now iconic opening credit sequence)... it is hot garbage

never commercially released, here is a fan built trailer that is spot on with the general feel and the plot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTUL1GWbrRw

it's sorta Vertigo presents True Detective s3

Between this and Howard the Duck why has the ghost of Steve Gerber not returned to wreak a terrible vengeance?

aww, that's sort of adorable.

like i could imagine it being an actually lame-but-okay shitty TV series.

Has to be called Giant Sized Man Thing though.

tbh that's been on my band name list for like ever

that was the name of my nascent aborted band many years ago

Size not Sized

The weird thing about that terrible Man Thing movie is that does feature quite a lot of stuff drawn from the Gerber comics, including this character:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/faschist.htm

omg

He was briefly immortal, until he was killed. He was immune to the effects of aging, but not the effects of burning.

I will also be immortal until i die btw

btw
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/doctor-strange-mads-mikkelsen-1201549501/

i think you have to assume they want him for baron mordo and i approve

huh, go figure: they already have a mordo. so dormammu?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Doctor-Strange-Wants-Mads-Mikkelsen-Get-Details-79587.html

Mikkelsen’s exact role remains under wraps, but sources say he will be another antagonist to Cumberbatch’s titular sorcerer.

sounds dormammish to me. i guess there's also mephisto speculation but that seems like a box of frogs MCUwise.

If Mikkelsen was Mephisto, it'd be like a remake of Constantine, with Tilda Swinton playing the mentor to the eponymous sorcerer and a well-known Scandinavian character playing the devil!

"Scandinavian character actor"

Constantine was better than it had any right to be

I agree, it's pretty much the best live-action DC comic movie made, alongside Batman Returns. If only they'd cast a proper English actor in the lead role and gotten rid of the boring sidekick, it would've been perfect.

I wonder if Cumberbatch is gonna be American in Dr. Strange? Has he player Americans before?

smaug is from grand rapids iirc

I'd like to think that they didn't discover Benedict's irredeemably-awful and previously-unattempted American accent until after he'd already been cast.

"Howdy, y'all, I'm Doctor Strange!"

Marvel Studios tells the publishing-side Creative Committee "you can keep your story notes to yourself, thanks."
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/09/02/marvel-creative-committee-disbanded/

I can't believe this hasn't been shared here yet: http://io9.com/i-have-some-serious-concerns-about-the-captain-america-1728289328?utm_expid=66866090-48.Ej9760cOTJCPS_Bq4mjoww.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

i didn't realize the comic was that nuts. still a little alarmist - from what i understand age of ultron had little to do with that comic - and this tickled me:

As had been pointed out by many people, by the time Civil War comes out, there will be 11 heroes in the MCU: Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, the Falcon, Black Panther, War Machine, the Vision, the Winter Soldier and Spider-Man.

dude forgot ant-man, daredevil, and one of the 12 heroes he listed

apparently in the comics "age of ultron" heavily involved time travel. so it's not like there's no precedent for simplifying things rewardingly.

AoU movie had absolutely nothing to do with AoU comic. So getting pre-alarmist about Civil War based on the comic is kinda dumb.

it'll suck for its own reasons, not because the comic sucked.

Cap's position is going to have to be different, as the MCU hasn't really be bothering with secret identities.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D has more superheroes (and more concerns about secrecy), but I'm assuming this works in tiers like the old Star Wars continuity - films don't have to acknowledge whatever happens in TV (is anyone saying Daredevil will actually turn up?).