Rolling Cannabis Politics Thread

and yeah it takes time and effort and attention, but idk how that's different from successfully farming any other kind of crop, all of which come with their own unique challenges.

hang upside down in a closet iirc

(fyi I would never do it - don't have the time or energy + kids are around - so yes I look forward to buying my weed at the corner store)

Are any growers in WA/CO growing less potent weed? As it becomes easier to acquire, not everyone's going to want some holy shit strong strain that obsessive hippies have been cross-breeding for decades.

Not that I've seen, other than low THC / high CBD stuff geared towards legit medical use. Everything seems to be between 15-30% THC, with concentrates up to 80-90%.

I imagine someday someone might make some sort of "session" style ditchweed throwback though for old timers who want to smoke an entire joint without totally freaking out.

feel like the market will address that eventually but right now it's strictly for people who already know they wanna get high and stay real real high. I can't deal w/the blast-you-into-space indicas of today either, strictly sativa-dominant for me in the space-weed age

The space-weed age is very intense

i like getting blasted into space 9 times out of 10 but i know what you mean and the trick (IME) is just to smoke less weed. like even the weenciest little bit, an implausibly small amount that you would scoff at and say "bah! that wouldn't get me high for half a second!" of the most BYISI will do the trick

I do that and enjoy it when I can, I have some weird reactions - in colorado one of the, ahem, budtenders who was a pretty intense young cat ("I'm 3rd generation in this business, my family was ready to go six months before the law passed") listened to me describing which strains had worked for me in e.g. Amsterdam & from friends in SF and which ones hadn't and said "you're an invert, one person in 8 is an invert - sativa strains do for you what indica strains do for other people" which TOTALLY sounds like bullshit to me except that I always have this "no, that's not how I responded at all" reaction to indica strains. like, people'll say "a fun, mainly physical high" and I'll try it and go "by 'fun' do you mean 'contemplate your failures while lying on your back in the dark for three hours'"

whereas the sativa stuff I can really enjoy and get ridiculously high and still feel like I myself am present, and fall asleep super-easy whenever I'm ready to check out, which is one of the main uses of the stuff for me, getting me to sleep when I'm far from home and my internal clock's all fucked up

"a fun, mainly physical high" and I'll try it and go "by 'fun' do you mean 'contemplate your failures while lying on your back in the dark for three hours'"

lol I have definitely had similar experiences before (though with a different vibe on a different day I might feel fine with the same weed)

I don't really get on with indica-heavy weed either it just puts me to sleep if I'm lucky or makes me feel nauseous if I'm not.

Hopefully in 5-10 years Starbucks will sell weed coffee.

I don't think I ever had sativa til I got my med card. It's like a whole different drug! Def prefer it to indica.

I had no idea about any differences until recently. For most of my life I've only had sketchy connections and it was usually either nothing or seedy stemmy brick weed that traveled thousands of miles compressed into a spare tire or something. Better since I moved west but still, nothing like the stores now.

[i]which TOTALLY sounds like bullshit to me except that I always have this "no, that's not how I responded at all" reaction to indica strains. like, people'll say "a fun, mainly physical high" and I'll try it and go "by 'fun' do you mean 'contemplate your failures while lying on your back in the dark for three hours'"[/'i]

haha yeah I find this penchant for attempting to pseudo-scientifically quantify how weed affects various people to be really specious. It's such a variable drug and people respond so differently to it, I tend to dismiss any dispensed "wisdom" regarding effects to be mostly psychobabble.

damn bbc coding

Not to psychobabble, but indica is usually known as the fall-asleep variety, and not the laugh-your-ass-off variety.

no I know! my dude out here gave me indica strains for sleep - they did not have that effect at all. sativa strains? feel great and I can go directly to sleep or stay up and design desktop games for hours. it really is like they're totally different drugs which act differently in my body than they do in others'. I am otherwise a pretty baseline dude medically, ibuprofen for headaches, NKA, etc, but this is something I keep testing and it keeps coming up "indica is the one that keeps you awake"

i like getting blasted into space 9 times out of 10 but i know what you mean and the trick (IME) is just to smoke less weed. like even the weenciest little bit, an implausibly small amount that you would scoff at and say "bah! that wouldn't get me high for half a second!" of the most BYISI will do the trick

― flopson, Thursday, August 13, 2015 7:40 PM Bookmark

Yeah, usually a hit or two and I'm good. It's very rare that I smoke a whole bowl at once.

Texas?!?!

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/05/07/texas-house-panel-approves-full-legalization-of-marijuana-in-unprecedented-move/

“As a Christian, I recognize the innate goodness of everything God made and humanity’s charge to be stewards of the same,” wrote Simpson. “I don’t believe that when God made marijuana he made a mistake that government needs to fix.”

from may though? idgi, a panel approved it but it appears that is only one step to legalization? still seems like it needs some additional voting idk

yeah, it probably is not going to pass a full house vote, but I guess it is a step in the right direction

i'm very interested in seeing what happens w/ ohio tomorrow

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/us/on-ballot-ohio-grapples-with-specter-of-marijuana-monopoly.html?ribbon-ad-idx=5&rref=us

hope it fails. what a bizarre bill.

er proposition

truly an odd coalition

With help from Mr. Gould, he found 10 investment groups willing to put up a minimum of $2 million each to finance a campaign to pass an amendment that would legalize marijuana for medical use and personal use in small amounts; set up a commission to regulate it; and designate 10 parcels of land — each owned or optioned by funders of the initiative — where marijuana could be legally grown and cultivated for commercial use.

Adults 21 and older would also be allowed to grow small amounts of marijuana — up to four flowering plants — for themselves. The state commission would license retailers, who would be required to win elections in local precincts.

The backers call themselves ResponsibleOhio. Among the investors: the former professional basketball player Oscar Robertson, the fashion designer Nanette Lepore, Mr. Gould and two great-great-grand-nephews of President William Howard Taft. Each investment group has committed as much as $40 million to build facilities if Issue 3 passes.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/08/buddie_the_marijuana_mascot_dr.html

all my family lives there, i go there all the time, may move back someday

very confusing ballot questions, if i understand correctly:

1)if issue 3 passes, 10 facilities will be granted the exclusive right to cultivate/sell cannabis commercially (individuals can grow up to 4 plants for personal use) essentially creating an oligopoly (though people are calling it a monopoly)
2) if issue 2 passes, such state-sanctioned monopolies will be outlawed, effectively nullifying issue 3?

very weird idk

personally i think it is more important to have legal weed even if the commercial system is fucked up. lots of angry potheads don't like the monopoly but imo we can sort that out later

^ possibly the best outcome would be for the Ohio proposition to fail, but very narrowly, showing deep and widespread support for legalization, then a better proposition gets sponsored next election cycle or the legislature decides to act on its own.

yeah i wouldn't really care about the monopoly cuz i'd be growing my own. this would be huge just for the fact that we'd have a legal state o this side of the county.

country*

you can do it Ohio!

http://d47hr5yd1ya83.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/ivoted.jpg

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/10/willie-nelson-crusade-stop-big-pot.html

wish i got to vote on cannabis legislation today but my state's fucking legislature sucks

"big pot" is really much better than no pot

the monopoly argument is not a good one imo . gotta ride the momentum when it's there

yea, if it fails bc of the monopoly thing it could be a very long while before OH sees it on the ballot again, it takes a shit load of money and effort to get rec weed on the ballot

also i <3 willie but willie has 24/7 access to small-farm homegrown pot anywhere he travels in the world and the same cannot be said for most of us so idk man

i don't smoke, but I'm more interested in keeping people out of jail so it was a yes vote for me

ppl are voting no bc they're concerned about it becoming a monopoly? HELLO PEOPLE there are important things at stake here!!!

Yeah from what I read the monopoly narrative stems greatly from the prohibitionist crowd as a last ditch effort to slow legalization on Ohio

the prohibitionists put the monopoly language in the bill iirc. (it's more like a cartel, but whatever)

do you get any sense that this will pass ?

everybody I know mostly favors legalization but most are voting against this because of the "monopoly". this is just my handful of friends tho. I get the sense it's doomed. hope I'm wrong.

from what i hear both issue 2 (anti-monopoly language) and issue 3 (legalization) are likely to pass

which will probably result in some messy legal shit

^ possibly the best outcome would be for the Ohio proposition to fail, but very narrowly, showing deep and widespread support for legalization, then a better proposition gets sponsored next election cycle or the legislature decides to act on its own.

― Aimless, Monday, November 2, 2015 2:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think this is the best outcome, like i said it takes a lot of effort to get something on the ballot and it could be a long time before it happens again. i don't see the ohio legislature acting on this independent of a ballot initiative fwiw