Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

I've heard talk about closing it down after that, as the actors get too old, and rebooting everything after five years or so. But would the money let them?

then it'll be time to get those new universe movies up and running - owen wilson for star brand imo, open to suggestions for the cast of kickers, inc.

imo there's no reason to reboot the mcu until the audience sags. granted, by the time they're all punching each other in space for the Infinity War the numbers may show that. In which case, sure, shut it down and take a nap. But if the box office is just cruising along and Dr Strange and Captain Marvel did well, just let RDJ take a nap and make Captain Marvel 2, Black Panther 2, bring out the Power Pack, etc etc.

Hugh Jackman's gonna play Wolverine till he's nearly 50, so assuming they can afford their trainers, ScarJo and the Chrises still have another 15 years

He's 46 now!

yup, and he's said he's gonna do one more film - hence "nearly 50"

i think chris evans has said he'll be hanging up his shield after the infinity war movies are done

if the audience is still there, they can just bring out the us agent in a Black Widow movie, etc etc. There's just no reason to reboot all these franchises at once before the audience says they're done. Esp since, if we've consistently thrown money at them through the infinity war, they'll have like a dozen franchises.

they've already got bucky and the falcon as established characters, both of whom have picked up the captain america mantle in recent years, so they've got a couple of options for replacements after evans leaves

ant-man loudly lost its director in pre-production, was about ANT-MAN and still did as well as Captain America 1, getting solid reviews. Which if you consider how much better The Winter Soldier did than Cap 1, suggests Ant-Man 2 is a distinct and potentially profitable option. So while it does not behoove Marvel to promise us films til the end of time, there's also no reasons (yet) for them to promise to stop.

At this point I feel like "Marvel" is the brand moreso than any of the individual characters except Iron Man. So a gradual handoff to another Cap-like character seems totally viable IMO. One of the advantages of the big shared-universe concept is that you actually can sort of avoid the tedium of early reboots and re-origins, which I think has clearly hurt Spider-Man. You can do some of the lifting of introducing a new or replacement character within the big crossover movies, then maybe they can start their own movie just, like, on an adventure fighting stuff. So "spinoffs" can take the place of "reboots." This seems particularly workable for people like Cap where their powers are kinda generic and not super essential to the concept - very easy to do a handoff story where Evans bequeaths the mantle to a fresh face - "America needs a Captain America... America needs.... you!"

At this point I feel like "Marvel" is the brand moreso than any of the individual characters except Iron Man.

yeah, this is otm. no way an ant-man movie would have succeeded in 2008 but people definitely know now that they loved guardians of the galaxy even although they had no idea who star-lord was so they're way more willing to take a chance of a movie about a small dude doing some robberies or some shit

esp as the supporting cast gets simpsons-level huge, so that captain america 3 is really avengers 2.5, and black panther will basically be avengers 2.75.

So what's obviously missing for them to make money on?

Cloak and Dagger, DUH

i feel like "what do they possibly have left to exploit" stopped being a valid question after they made 700m off the talking raccoon and tree

Did anyone else who saw Ant Man just feel the air go right out of the theatre/movie when Falcon appeared? Like, he gets this dramatic intro, and no one gives a crap. Like we're supposed to be excited about Falcon, who may as well be called Captain Uncompelling.

nope

Yeah, no.

I honestly think Damage Control would make a great one-off film, moreso than a miniseries - it's a cute enough quick-pitch concept, so it really just needs a team that knows how to do a charming high-concept comedy (rather than the super-action people) to work over the script and put some recognizable funny faces in it. That's one where the Marvel brand isn't even strictly necessary - you could have done that with totally generic superheroes seen from a distance or on shots of the TV news, since the gimmick is about the everyday Joes sifting through the rubble. Or it could be about the effort to get the company off the ground, as one guy with a big idea starts with just a shovel and a little red wagon or something.

And yeah, Runaways - that was also basically made to be a filmable concept from minute one, as is Vaughan's stock in trade. Really clear, trailer-ready concept, fantastic characters. Maybe it does depend on feeling like the universe is big enough that there could be these two-bit never-heard-of-em supervillains poking around, or maybe it really should not be set in the Marvel Universe at all.

I think they'd avoid Young Avengers and Power Pack though - anything clearly "... but it's kids!" feels like box office poison IMO.

They've apparently been kicking around an idea for a Runaways movie for a while. I think I initially read that it was supposed to happen just after phase one.

they can always do power pack as an animated thing like big hero 6

did they get the rights back to blade? If dr strange does well (And hey it might who knows) he - and ghost rider! - would be logical eventual reboots into Marvel Dark

the falcon scene in ant-man was a dud but not because it featured the falcon, more that it was obviously a scene that had been shoehorned in after edgar wright left to tie the movie closer to the avengers. it was an embarassingly inept macguffin-hunt that added nothing at all to the story - basically a 'put the movie on hold for five minutes while we get an avenger in here' sequence.

i'm all for another ghost rider movie as long as nic cage reprises his career-defining role as johnny blaze. and ghost rider pisses fire again, that was rad

animated power pack MIGHT work. just always feels pointless to do a "they're superheroes...but they're little kids!" thing. anybody over the age of 10 won't touch it, and anybody under the age of 10 is already perfectly happy with spider-man. there are plenty of demographics these movies should be trying to reach better, but i think they have little kids prettttty well sewn up.

rebooted blade is not a terrible idea, as reboots go. at least it's been a few years. not sure this universe really needs to have vampires in it but yeah, depends how dr. strange goes with mysticism stuff. apparently there was a blade TV series?! missed that completely.

Yes, rights have reverted on Blade, there are talks about doing something with him in the MCU. They should just go balls-out and do a Tomb of Dracula movie.

I'd rather they do psychedelic Ditko Strange than Marvel Knights Strange but I expect they'll do the latter.

The DP has already used the words "dark" and "psychedelic" so I guess it's going to be both? I haven't read the Marvel Knights Strange. Still say the sound design is going to be key here.

also a lot of big flat expanses of color would be good.

i would've sworn on a bible i included howard in that list; blame the drugs.
cloak and dagger is a good idea, runaways is a good idea. if suicide squad does well (doubtful) i could see a sinister six/dark avengers/MODOK and AIM/Bring on the Bad Guys film greenlit.

suicide squad looks half cool, half dour & leaden & heavy blahhh

i have written a treatment for a featherlight romcom starring modok does anyone have kevin feige's email

(why because he look intersting)

What girl does modok meet cuet

u not know MODAM

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/11/117763/3129489-ohotmu+captain+america+%231+-+page+16.jpg

modam, or mental organism designed for amorous maneuvers

superia and the femizons will be her supporting cast of friends

sold

I love that she is a carbon copy of MODOK but with lipstick.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/09/hulk-ruffalo-civil-war.html

I believed that [Hulk] would be in the film, but at the end, it was evident that they needed to reveal that the Hulk did something very significant, and that Marvel wanted to use this in a more upfront [manner]. My character was inserted into the script, but it was later removed. Who knows, maybe Hulk will never return. However, [Marvel] want to keep the revelation of what happened a secret, because it is something truly significant.

^ this sounds like confirmation of World War Hulk to me

I love that she is a carbon copy of MODOK but with lipstick.

don't fuck with the formula!

tbf she has boob armour too to further distinguish her from modok

I would've given her little sticky-up pigtails.

plz tell me at some point they make a MOTOT

mobile organism threatening only toddlers?

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Elvis MODOK or gtfo.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f95/klu824/BabyMODOK.jpg

awesome

I'm glad they didn't shorten that to BABY DOK.

I didn't read all of Civil War but I feel like that IO9 column is taking an intentional thematic position from the story, namely that both opposing sides were seriously flawed from an ethical standpoint, and is treating it like it was an unintentional mistake that the writers had no idea they were inserting.

Always thought I'd read civil war but turns out it was actually this parody of it.
http://mightygodking.com/i-dont-need-your-civil-war/
But yeah that article is kinda silly. It takes the registration thing at face value and compares it to real life policy, as if anything about it makes sense in the context of a superhero comic.

The writers didn't know what to do with the vigilantism conceit underpinning everything that they'd ever written about before so they just kinda ignored it.