Appropriation = Good!

It's certainly still constant and a serious issue but when a bunch of stars show up to support jay-z's tech venture I can't imagine we're at an "all-time high"

like macklemore is definitely on the timeline with pat boone but i don't think pat boone ever publicly apologized to little richard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-qRSsmg10

t's kind of fascinating to me how much the pop music machine continues to do essentially what it did in the 50s, i.e. pump out white artists who can make black musical/cultural tropes just slightly more accessible to white audiences...

it seems like what is perceived as "black culture" in 2015 continues to be a space for white people to let loose, be more sexual, be more aggressive, etc. like in certain ways the role of black people in the white imagination hasn't changed much.

Tbf, the American popular music industry (which owes some of its early history to the minstrel show era) was doing this before the 50s. Cf. the Jazz Age, etc.

I'm kind of fascinated that someone could post the OP on ILM in 2001 and have several people agree with him.

I wasn't quite here yet, but wasn't Dave Q known for those kinds of posts, as a schtick? He was like the "hot takes" guy of earlier ILM, is my impression.

iirc ILM 2001 was into white boy bands doing Eurofied takes on Tony! Toni! Toné!

lol

I wasn't quite here yet, but wasn't Dave Q known for those kinds of posts, as a schtick? He was like the "hot takes" guy of earlier ILM, is my impression.

Yes, and I think my point stands.:P

This actually reminds me that last year I observed Yom Kippur for the first time in many years, and since I couldn't actually go to a Kol Nidre service (night service for beginning of Yom Kippur with special service/melodies for that night only) I listened to a really good recording of it on Spotify alone. And it struck me what an amazing, harrowing piece of music it is, but I couldn't bring myself to listen to it again on any other time, because I didn't want to disrespect its purpose.

At the same time though, I would have no problem whatsoever with a non-Jewish person (or a Jewish person for that matter) listening to Kol Nidre purely for pleasure/interest, completely stripped of its context. So appropriate away.

rules obtain: appropriation of the velvet underground = good; appropriation of procol harum = bad

Sund4r- isn't the majority of the thread mostly in agreement with the top post?

http://davidbyrne.com/archive/news/press/articles/I_hate_world_music_1999.php

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNpUZCXXcAExoEa.jpg

I find my self more and more struck and sometimes annoyed at how much american/british pop music there is that leans heavily on trying to sound like soul and R&B music. Like I had always *known* "rock and roll is black music" but I didn't realize when I was younger how much every single fucking white rock/pop singer is imitating black singers.

any specific examples here? surely a lot of rock singers, especially contemporary ones, are imitating other rock singers?

Bob Seeger was one who struck me recently. Wasn't thinking so much about contemporary as 60s-80s.

Also, less of a singer thing, but it hit me recently that the Doors rhythm section was trying to sound like Booker T. and the MGs.

were they? I always thought Densmore wanted to play bebop and got stuck in a rock band

Tom waits embarrasses me to listen to now lol

For this reason among others

this is a good piece btw https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/09/the-question-of-cultural-appropriation