omg I forgot that line
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 28 September 2015 14:01 (eight years ago) link
It'll be interesting to see how much SPECTRE sticks to the semi-plausible villain schemes of the Craig films.
So far we've had:Casino Royale: off-screen puppetmasters implied, but the main plot is about the money man for international criminal enterprise (plausible), it's personal for Bond in that he falls in loveQuantum of Solace: leads in from last film, group of villains is introduced and main plot is about manipulating the water market in south america for profit (semi-plausible, maybe boring?). Ties up Bond's love dying.Skyfall: detours from vast conspiracy to have a one-off villain that is a magical global hacker type (very of the moment, much less plausible). Personal for Bond in that it ruminates too long on his "family" (dead parents, surrogate mother in M). SPECTRE: who even knows the real plot yet, trailers seem to be all about secret group behind all villain groups who are VERY PERSONAL to Bond. Maybe a plausible threat to counter that?
The movies always veered away from any realism to give giant secret bases (esp in late Connery/Moore films) but the scope of things probably hit the top ridiculous point in "A View to a Kill" when a _single_ evil capitalist was going to sink part of California... to corner the microchip market!
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 28 September 2015 14:18 (eight years ago) link
which probably means the new film is going to jump all sharks and have Bond's long-lost cousin/brother/bff nuke scotland off the map to kill one man (Bond, naturally)
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 28 September 2015 14:19 (eight years ago) link
will there be cat stroking?
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 September 2015 14:37 (eight years ago) link
I think Waltz could definitely pull that off
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 28 September 2015 14:38 (eight years ago) link
"Franz Oberhauser"?
There's going to be a scene where he sez "Mein name is ECKtually...!" Right?
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 September 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link
Interesting angle would be Bond peeling back the curtain and finding out about this powerful conspiracy only to be convinced to help them defeat some second group
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 28 September 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
...which is a group of American industrialists that were founded post-WW2 after infiltrating the rebuilding of Europe. They're known as "the basterds"
it's the old innkeeper & he would have gotten away with it too if it werent for you kids
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 September 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link
have we polled best Bond theme on ILM? probably a shitshow like all song polls, but maybe an entertaining one
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, September 28, 2015 2:57 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
can't believe you forgot Chris Cornell beating Carly Simon on this poll:
What's the best Bond theme?
― soref, Monday, 28 September 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
Unfortunate, but the real scandal here is All Time High scoring 0.
― the european nikon is here (grauschleier), Monday, 28 September 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
that's the least scandalous scandal ever
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 28 September 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
we really need a ranking-style poll instead of pick one :/
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 28 September 2015 18:10 (eight years ago) link
yeah I mean the real travesty of that poll is For Your Eyes Only getting goose-egged
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 28 September 2015 18:11 (eight years ago) link
I get confused when seeing results as what _should_ be a ranking and then I realize, no, some people really think they chose the best one
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 28 September 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link
lame
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 September 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
first ever Bond theme to go UK number 1. baffling stat that. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34425299
― piscesx, Saturday, 3 October 2015 08:23 (eight years ago) link
they didn't count streaming before 2014.
― aaaaablnnn (abanana), Saturday, 3 October 2015 08:45 (eight years ago) link
Just watched the trailer for this. Still interested in seeing what they do with it but mannnnn is the digital coloring on this ugly to look at. I'm sure in the theater my eyes will adjust but I don't remember Skyfall being nearly this bad.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link
god i hated skyfall
― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
i hated the pretty lights too
― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
I liked Skyfall in the theater but it didnt hold up to rewatches, it's not great
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link
It suffers from a lack of exposition (action, not dialogue -- plenty of dialogue) with the main villain, while the subplot that is supposed to pull us into Bond's character has a lack of development.
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link
Or maybe too much development, when it comes to dragging Judi Dench around the countryside
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
Skyfall was awesomely colored! The fire and dusk in final sequence was one of the best uses of teal and orange in last few years. Spectre trailer doesn't have anything like that, but it could still very well be the same good mixture of beautiful feverish nonsense.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
Skyfall is beautiful to look at, esp the Scotland stuff
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link
DP this time is Hoyte Van Hoytema (Let the Right One In, Her, Interstellar)
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
haven't rewatched quantum or skyfall since seeing them in the theater but iirc they were both a letdown after casino royale, even if bardem was way better a villian than that dude with the asthma inhaler in casino
― marcos, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
idk casino royale was way more fun than either quantum or skyfall. those tried to be too serious. i hope spectre is fun
casino royale is so good
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:10 (eight years ago) link
hoyte van hoytema is a v fun name to say out loud
let the right one in is gorgeous, havent seen the other two
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:11 (eight years ago) link
i hated skyfall in the theatre than watched it again and liked it, i really don't think bond films need to be veering off into his backstory as a person or whatever. the parts of that movie that are just bond doing bond things rule.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
i hope spectre is fun
no chance. Looks like it's doubling down on the unnecessary Bond backstory
― Number None, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
some speculation suggests it may loosely follow the On Her Majesty's Secret Service storyline
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link
Telly Savalas > Christoph Waltz
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:38 (eight years ago) link
mikkelsen>>>>>bardem
― nomar, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link
altho i tried to watch OHMSS on TV a few years ago and whenever Diana Rigg wasnt on i was bored out of my skull
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link
trailers have all had me wondering re OHMSS
i don't gaf anyway, Bond is awesome, Bond is emo, Bond is po-faced, the only way to fuck up a Bond film is to have him played by that gurning clown Roger Moore and turn it into a fucking Cannonball Run spin-off
― bonobo voyage (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link
scrotal torture > i kidnapped Mommy
xp
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link
not even close imo. le chiffre was a great charming villain w/the right amount of sadism and desperation at the end. bardem was a cartoon and not in the great bond villain way, but in a generic way that was ripped off from countless recent movie villains. that said bardem was "good".
― nomar, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:42 (eight years ago) link
i've said it elsewhere but the sooner we move away from potentially great movie villains whose sole goal is "chaos" the better
― nomar, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link
i should say RUINED because their sole goal seems to be chaos
I saw it in the cinema two months ago and it is definitely the best Bond film, so well-edited that the Moore films should be embarrassed to have ever existed
― let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link
but the script and Lazenby, ye gods
Batbale has a lot to answer for
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:46 (eight years ago) link
i didn't mind it when it was the joker so much, primarily because it fit the character to a degree. but that motivation was such bullshit for khan and silva, and using it to mask true motives was so lazy imo.
― nomar, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
villains intent on mere chaos a symptom of a timid post-Cold War industry trying to maximize markets?
― bonobo voyage (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link
surely somebody wants to step up with the Islamophobes' Red Dawn?
Christensen > Mikkelsen
xp's
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link
the parts of that movie that are just bond doing bond things rule.
the sooner we move away from potentially great movie villains whose sole goal is "chaos" the better
OTM to both of these points. my complaints in sub-par bond movies are almost always that bond is not doing sufficiently bond-ish stuff. (roger moore is of course the worst offender here, movie after movie. brosnan could be smug but he almost always seemed to be doing, like, spy stuff or action stuff, not jsut shuffling around and talking to people.) and yeah bardem's villain had this awesome creepiness/bond-villain-vibe face to face, but his actual plan was just a huge ripoff of the dark knight and not really much to get excited about. pretty sure you could cut a quarter of that movie's running time by axing the "he got captured on purpose! now he's heading for M's big hearing! they've got to stop him!" sequence and it would be a stronger film. would keep the showdown at the old house because it was badass, but would not have it be bond's actual old house - did not need that one bit.
i didn't see casino royale til after skyfall so was pleasantly surprised (i did like a lot of things about skyfall) to find it a leaner, pacier-feeling film despite actually being one minute longer. so there's still some dragging parts and again there's a tacked-on feeling to the way the last sequences (the venice stuff) play out. but i thought the key set pieces - the opener, the airport, the car chase - were spectacularly thrilling in a way very few entries in the series actually have been despite the fact that seemingly each and every movie when it came out was praised for supposedly signature thrill-packed excitement. (reading the box of for your eyes only had me lolling the other night, after watching this incredible tepid and hokey affair to hear it described as "A Terrific, Non-Stop Romp!" with "non-stop action" and "unforgettable characters.") thought le chiffre was fantastic - just the kind of menacing, well-connected guy that Bond would take on as antagonist. my favorite line in the film was bond's stubborn i can beat this man. he was the right size villain for Bond to think that about and possibly be wrong.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link
the only way to fuck up a Bond film is to have him played by that gurning clown Roger Moore and turn it into a fucking Cannonball Run spin-off
OTM
― Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 21:06 (eight years ago) link