Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

not interested in rights of sensible gun owners, interested in taking everyone's guns away and being unashamedly open about that fact

i wasn't vouching for them, just saying that they were out there

they aren't out there!

every gun control organization I've ever seen is explicit about NOT wanting to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Even though this is what the NRA argues the left really wants anyway. We should just own up to it. 2nd Amendment is fucked, does not serve the public good, let's repeal it. Spend decades (as will be necessary) to make this a valid position that becomes part of public discourse, just like the NRA did with their "everyone should be allowed to own all the guns no matter what" position (which would likewise have been considered ludicrous and unreasonable in the decades before they achieved total victory and led us into our present predicament). They are evil, they and their ilk have completely managed to control the terms of the debate - it's wrong and we should say so and put money and resources into countering it.

I don't know the first thing about lobbying and am a pretty busy guy but this needs to happen imo

sorry i think i missed a post or two and hence some context

the conversation being split across 2 threads doesn't help w/ capturing full context

xp I am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

(Not being sarcastic. Repeal the 2nd. If you get a movement started I am behind you 100%)

for context, the other revive:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/oregon-college-shooting/index.html

(CNN)Preliminary information indicates 10 people were killed and more than 20 others injured in a shooting at Oregon's Umpqua Community College on Thursday, said Oregon State Police spokesman Bill Fugate.

The reports suggest that the shooter has been detained, he said.

― 1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, October 1, 2015 11:27 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

unreal

― Spottie, Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:33 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm deeply sick about this and don't really know what to do with my frustration and grief and absolute sickness that this continues to happen year after year in my state and nothing will ever change and it will happen again here, probably soon

― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:46 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

repeal the 2nd Amendment everybody

― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:47 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

absolutely

― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:54 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there is not a single lobbying group (afaict) dedicated to this goal - we should start one

― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:56 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It looks like he announced it on 4ch@n yesterday and was encouraged to go through with it.

― I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:57 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are you fucking kidding me

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:00 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, read this only if you want to just fucking give up on humanity: https://imgur.com/F90JrJW

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:00 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gross

― johnny crunch, Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:00 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Convo also going on on this thread

Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

― how's life, Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:01 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NBC just interviewed a student who survived the attack who also survived the last school shooting in roseburg, at his high school in 2006

So we've got Americans who have survived multiple school shootings and no one even bats an eye at this in the media

so i guess he took some time off btwn hs/college

i mean obv that is super fucked up regardless

He did -- he *joined the military.*

every time something like this happens i feel pretty helpless, like i'm already imagining a future where something like this hits close to home, with relatives or friends or family, or my wife and kid. and what am i supposed to do to stop it? a bunch of infantile shitheads enjoy their guns so much and the AMERICANNESS of the culture and the iconography of weapons that they're addicted. it's a cultural addiction, 100%. i enjoy action movies as much as the next guy but i probably shouldn't "enjoy" gunplay, like it's shouldn't be lightweight or a casual instrument of justice. i'm probably repeating myself here. my kid's young, i get this feeling in the pit of my stomach whenever one of these things happens, like i just want to keep him safe til he gets old enough to get away should something begin to happen wherever he's at.

i enjoy action movies as much as the next guy

Real tough guys don't need guns, they just need a positive, can-do attitude

I invite nomar to join me and Phil's lobbying group, 3 people = a movement!

add me to the list

awesome

hey do any of you guys know any millionaires

i am related to one, however i've never met her.

A WELL REGULATED MILITIA

vs. well-regulated milius

http://press.epixhd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/0031667_0031667-R1-E067.jpg

Looks like we have to

1) Register with state or federal government agencies before opening business. The U.S. Senate Office of Public Records requires registration for lobbyists who make more than $3,000 per quarter and spend more than $4,500 on lobbying in the quarter preceding registration.

2) Apply for a line of credit.

3) Lease office space as close to legislative offices as possible

4) Recruit one or two veterans of the legislative process

5) Procure lists and contact information for every legislator in state or federal government to identify targets for our efforts.

6) Do press

Obama's talking and he's crying again.

I know a couple of (conservative, unfortunately) lobbyists in oregon. I could probably talk to them about the process. also, sign me up. xp

i'm not on twitter and it's a good thing too, but every time one of these conservative candidates posts a sympathy tweet i think it's fair to say "FUCK YOU SUPPORT GUN CONTROL" until their servers crash

I dunno anything about this process any advice welcome

xp

looks like

repealthe2ndamendment.com

and

repealthesecondamendment.com

are both taken by placeholder sites :(

hey, here's one!

http://repealthesecond.com/

that leads to nothing except a whitehouse.gov petition that got 9 signatures. the white house can't repeal amendments though, this is something that needs to be lobbied in congress.

and yr statehouse too

xp oh I know, I was looking for a good domain name, not suggesting that the website was in any way effective

right but that's later - gotta get a bill in the House or Senate first. So seems to me the likeliest proposition is to find some rabidly anti-gun legislator (or preferably legislators - from Chicago or New York or Los Angeles or something) that we would lobby to get a repeal bill introduced. And of course they would then have to be in seats that are safe from the NRA.

xxp

Obama gave a pretty good speech btw and was nakedly emotional about his frustration over this. Cut back to studio and Brian Williams immediately called him "angry" so

is Williams on MSNBC now?

yes he's anchoring their breaking news stuff I think

another anchor on MSNBC called obama angry just now (don't know who, listening to the radio)

chris matthews leads show listing shootings with death counts

i.e. VIRGINIA TECH. DEATH COUNT - 32. SANDY HOOK. DEATH COUNT: 28.
bit dramatic and encouraging

how is that encouraging

i think round the clock coverage and guaranteed infamy encourages this shit. but i don't know what the alternative would be, don't cover it? it's silly. this cycle is just fucking absurd

*to be clear - not covering it would be silly. but what's the alternative?

Hayes is airing the speech

It looks like he announced it on 4ch@n yesterday and was encouraged to go through with it.

Goddamnit.

Rumours on twitter that 4ch@n guy ain't the one

*to be clear - not covering it would be silly. but what's the alternative?

Eh maybe not covering it so much. It's not as if any of that information is of any use to people.

"Beware random acts of violence". Great, thanks for the advice, I will do random acts of preparation.

Oh the neighbors didn't suspect they lived next to a mass murderer? Great now I just need to suspect everyone I'm not already suspecting.

The worst is interviewing victims, there must be a special circle of hell next to the murderers these news editors go to.

the shooter's profile at some dating site.

http://spiritualpassions.com/seeme/ironcross45.html

http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/

gotta hope this isn't true for a zillion reasons but if he was actually a 4chan guy it certainly seems plausible

latest news aiui is that the shooter was not from Oregon, and did not attend the school