every gun control organization I've ever seen is explicit about NOT wanting to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Even though this is what the NRA argues the left really wants anyway. We should just own up to it. 2nd Amendment is fucked, does not serve the public good, let's repeal it. Spend decades (as will be necessary) to make this a valid position that becomes part of public discourse, just like the NRA did with their "everyone should be allowed to own all the guns no matter what" position (which would likewise have been considered ludicrous and unreasonable in the decades before they achieved total victory and led us into our present predicament). They are evil, they and their ilk have completely managed to control the terms of the debate - it's wrong and we should say so and put money and resources into countering it.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
I don't know the first thing about lobbying and am a pretty busy guy but this needs to happen imo
sorry i think i missed a post or two and hence some context
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
the conversation being split across 2 threads doesn't help w/ capturing full context
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:16 (eight years ago) link
xp I am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
(Not being sarcastic. Repeal the 2nd. If you get a movement started I am behind you 100%)
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link
for context, the other revive:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/oregon-college-shooting/index.html
(CNN)Preliminary information indicates 10 people were killed and more than 20 others injured in a shooting at Oregon's Umpqua Community College on Thursday, said Oregon State Police spokesman Bill Fugate.
The reports suggest that the shooter has been detained, he said.
― 1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, October 1, 2015 11:27 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
unreal
― Spottie, Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:33 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm deeply sick about this and don't really know what to do with my frustration and grief and absolute sickness that this continues to happen year after year in my state and nothing will ever change and it will happen again here, probably soon
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:46 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
repeal the 2nd Amendment everybody
― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:47 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
absolutely
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:54 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there is not a single lobbying group (afaict) dedicated to this goal - we should start one
― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:56 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It looks like he announced it on 4ch@n yesterday and was encouraged to go through with it.
― I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:57 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
are you fucking kidding me
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:00 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, read this only if you want to just fucking give up on humanity: https://imgur.com/F90JrJW
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:00 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
gross
― johnny crunch, Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:00 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Convo also going on on this thread
Another fucking spree shooting. Great.
― how's life, Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:01 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― sleeve, Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
NBC just interviewed a student who survived the attack who also survived the last school shooting in roseburg, at his high school in 2006
So we've got Americans who have survived multiple school shootings and no one even bats an eye at this in the media
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link
so i guess he took some time off btwn hs/college
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link
i mean obv that is super fucked up regardless
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
He did -- he *joined the military.*
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
every time something like this happens i feel pretty helpless, like i'm already imagining a future where something like this hits close to home, with relatives or friends or family, or my wife and kid. and what am i supposed to do to stop it? a bunch of infantile shitheads enjoy their guns so much and the AMERICANNESS of the culture and the iconography of weapons that they're addicted. it's a cultural addiction, 100%. i enjoy action movies as much as the next guy but i probably shouldn't "enjoy" gunplay, like it's shouldn't be lightweight or a casual instrument of justice. i'm probably repeating myself here. my kid's young, i get this feeling in the pit of my stomach whenever one of these things happens, like i just want to keep him safe til he gets old enough to get away should something begin to happen wherever he's at.
― nomar, Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:44 (eight years ago) link
i enjoy action movies as much as the next guy
Real tough guys don't need guns, they just need a positive, can-do attitude
― gate gate paragate parasamgate (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:53 (eight years ago) link
I invite nomar to join me and Phil's lobbying group, 3 people = a movement!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 October 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
add me to the list
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link
awesome
hey do any of you guys know any millionaires
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:21 (eight years ago) link
i am related to one, however i've never met her.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link
A WELL REGULATED MILITIA
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:23 (eight years ago) link
vs. well-regulated milius
http://press.epixhd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/0031667_0031667-R1-E067.jpg
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:24 (eight years ago) link
Looks like we have to
1) Register with state or federal government agencies before opening business. The U.S. Senate Office of Public Records requires registration for lobbyists who make more than $3,000 per quarter and spend more than $4,500 on lobbying in the quarter preceding registration.
2) Apply for a line of credit.
3) Lease office space as close to legislative offices as possible
4) Recruit one or two veterans of the legislative process
5) Procure lists and contact information for every legislator in state or federal government to identify targets for our efforts.
6) Do press
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:27 (eight years ago) link
Obama's talking and he's crying again.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link
I know a couple of (conservative, unfortunately) lobbyists in oregon. I could probably talk to them about the process. also, sign me up. xp
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link
i'm not on twitter and it's a good thing too, but every time one of these conservative candidates posts a sympathy tweet i think it's fair to say "FUCK YOU SUPPORT GUN CONTROL" until their servers crash
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link
I dunno anything about this process any advice welcome
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link
looks like
repealthe2ndamendment.com
and
repealthesecondamendment.com
are both taken by placeholder sites :(
hey, here's one!
http://repealthesecond.com/
― sleeve, Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link
that leads to nothing except a whitehouse.gov petition that got 9 signatures. the white house can't repeal amendments though, this is something that needs to be lobbied in congress.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
and yr statehouse too
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:43 (eight years ago) link
xp oh I know, I was looking for a good domain name, not suggesting that the website was in any way effective
― sleeve, Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:43 (eight years ago) link
right but that's later - gotta get a bill in the House or Senate first. So seems to me the likeliest proposition is to find some rabidly anti-gun legislator (or preferably legislators - from Chicago or New York or Los Angeles or something) that we would lobby to get a repeal bill introduced. And of course they would then have to be in seats that are safe from the NRA.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:46 (eight years ago) link
xxp
Obama gave a pretty good speech btw and was nakedly emotional about his frustration over this. Cut back to studio and Brian Williams immediately called him "angry" so
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:49 (eight years ago) link
is Williams on MSNBC now?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:50 (eight years ago) link
yes he's anchoring their breaking news stuff I think
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:50 (eight years ago) link
another anchor on MSNBC called obama angry just now (don't know who, listening to the radio)
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 October 2015 23:15 (eight years ago) link
chris matthews leads show listing shootings with death counts
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 October 2015 23:31 (eight years ago) link
i.e. VIRGINIA TECH. DEATH COUNT - 32. SANDY HOOK. DEATH COUNT: 28.bit dramatic and encouraging
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 October 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link
how is that encouraging
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 October 2015 23:34 (eight years ago) link
i think round the clock coverage and guaranteed infamy encourages this shit. but i don't know what the alternative would be, don't cover it? it's silly. this cycle is just fucking absurd
― flappy bird, Friday, 2 October 2015 00:02 (eight years ago) link
*to be clear - not covering it would be silly. but what's the alternative?
― flappy bird, Friday, 2 October 2015 00:03 (eight years ago) link
Hayes is airing the speech
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 October 2015 00:09 (eight years ago) link
Goddamnit.
― jmm, Friday, 2 October 2015 00:18 (eight years ago) link
Rumours on twitter that 4ch@n guy ain't the one
― badg, Friday, 2 October 2015 00:31 (eight years ago) link
Eh maybe not covering it so much. It's not as if any of that information is of any use to people.
"Beware random acts of violence". Great, thanks for the advice, I will do random acts of preparation.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 October 2015 01:06 (eight years ago) link
Oh the neighbors didn't suspect they lived next to a mass murderer? Great now I just need to suspect everyone I'm not already suspecting.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 October 2015 01:09 (eight years ago) link
The worst is interviewing victims, there must be a special circle of hell next to the murderers these news editors go to.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 October 2015 01:10 (eight years ago) link
the shooter's profile at some dating site.
http://spiritualpassions.com/seeme/ironcross45.html
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 2 October 2015 01:32 (eight years ago) link
http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/
gotta hope this isn't true for a zillion reasons but if he was actually a 4chan guy it certainly seems plausible
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Friday, 2 October 2015 01:57 (eight years ago) link
latest news aiui is that the shooter was not from Oregon, and did not attend the school
― sleeve, Friday, 2 October 2015 03:22 (eight years ago) link
hmm maybe lived in the area for a while? this has the most details locally...
WARNING: fucked up shit
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/33566342-75/10-dead-7-injured-in-shooting-at-umpqua-community-college-in-roseburg-gunman-dead.html.csp
was apparently targeting Christians
― sleeve, Friday, 2 October 2015 03:32 (eight years ago) link
i'm on board with repealing the second, also the confiscation and dismantling of all firearms in america
― zoso def (m bison), Friday, 2 October 2015 03:47 (eight years ago) link
this guy from the seattle times is making too much sense: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/common-sense-calls-for-repeal-of-second-amendment/
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 2 October 2015 04:00 (eight years ago) link