Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

He did -- he *joined the military.*

every time something like this happens i feel pretty helpless, like i'm already imagining a future where something like this hits close to home, with relatives or friends or family, or my wife and kid. and what am i supposed to do to stop it? a bunch of infantile shitheads enjoy their guns so much and the AMERICANNESS of the culture and the iconography of weapons that they're addicted. it's a cultural addiction, 100%. i enjoy action movies as much as the next guy but i probably shouldn't "enjoy" gunplay, like it's shouldn't be lightweight or a casual instrument of justice. i'm probably repeating myself here. my kid's young, i get this feeling in the pit of my stomach whenever one of these things happens, like i just want to keep him safe til he gets old enough to get away should something begin to happen wherever he's at.

i enjoy action movies as much as the next guy

Real tough guys don't need guns, they just need a positive, can-do attitude

I invite nomar to join me and Phil's lobbying group, 3 people = a movement!

add me to the list

awesome

hey do any of you guys know any millionaires

i am related to one, however i've never met her.

A WELL REGULATED MILITIA

vs. well-regulated milius

http://press.epixhd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/0031667_0031667-R1-E067.jpg

Looks like we have to

1) Register with state or federal government agencies before opening business. The U.S. Senate Office of Public Records requires registration for lobbyists who make more than $3,000 per quarter and spend more than $4,500 on lobbying in the quarter preceding registration.

2) Apply for a line of credit.

3) Lease office space as close to legislative offices as possible

4) Recruit one or two veterans of the legislative process

5) Procure lists and contact information for every legislator in state or federal government to identify targets for our efforts.

6) Do press

Obama's talking and he's crying again.

I know a couple of (conservative, unfortunately) lobbyists in oregon. I could probably talk to them about the process. also, sign me up. xp

i'm not on twitter and it's a good thing too, but every time one of these conservative candidates posts a sympathy tweet i think it's fair to say "FUCK YOU SUPPORT GUN CONTROL" until their servers crash

I dunno anything about this process any advice welcome

xp

looks like

repealthe2ndamendment.com

and

repealthesecondamendment.com

are both taken by placeholder sites :(

hey, here's one!

http://repealthesecond.com/

that leads to nothing except a whitehouse.gov petition that got 9 signatures. the white house can't repeal amendments though, this is something that needs to be lobbied in congress.

and yr statehouse too

xp oh I know, I was looking for a good domain name, not suggesting that the website was in any way effective

right but that's later - gotta get a bill in the House or Senate first. So seems to me the likeliest proposition is to find some rabidly anti-gun legislator (or preferably legislators - from Chicago or New York or Los Angeles or something) that we would lobby to get a repeal bill introduced. And of course they would then have to be in seats that are safe from the NRA.

xxp

Obama gave a pretty good speech btw and was nakedly emotional about his frustration over this. Cut back to studio and Brian Williams immediately called him "angry" so

is Williams on MSNBC now?

yes he's anchoring their breaking news stuff I think

another anchor on MSNBC called obama angry just now (don't know who, listening to the radio)

chris matthews leads show listing shootings with death counts

i.e. VIRGINIA TECH. DEATH COUNT - 32. SANDY HOOK. DEATH COUNT: 28.
bit dramatic and encouraging

how is that encouraging

i think round the clock coverage and guaranteed infamy encourages this shit. but i don't know what the alternative would be, don't cover it? it's silly. this cycle is just fucking absurd

*to be clear - not covering it would be silly. but what's the alternative?

Hayes is airing the speech

It looks like he announced it on 4ch@n yesterday and was encouraged to go through with it.

Goddamnit.

Rumours on twitter that 4ch@n guy ain't the one

*to be clear - not covering it would be silly. but what's the alternative?

Eh maybe not covering it so much. It's not as if any of that information is of any use to people.

"Beware random acts of violence". Great, thanks for the advice, I will do random acts of preparation.

Oh the neighbors didn't suspect they lived next to a mass murderer? Great now I just need to suspect everyone I'm not already suspecting.

The worst is interviewing victims, there must be a special circle of hell next to the murderers these news editors go to.

the shooter's profile at some dating site.

http://spiritualpassions.com/seeme/ironcross45.html

http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/

gotta hope this isn't true for a zillion reasons but if he was actually a 4chan guy it certainly seems plausible

latest news aiui is that the shooter was not from Oregon, and did not attend the school

hmm maybe lived in the area for a while? this has the most details locally...

WARNING: fucked up shit

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/33566342-75/10-dead-7-injured-in-shooting-at-umpqua-community-college-in-roseburg-gunman-dead.html.csp

was apparently targeting Christians

i'm on board with repealing the second, also the confiscation and dismantling of all firearms in america

this guy from the seattle times is making too much sense: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/common-sense-calls-for-repeal-of-second-amendment/

In one post on the blog about Vester Flanagan, the man who killed the reporter and cameraman in Virginia, Mercer apparently wrote, "I have noticed that so many people like (Flanagan) are alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems like the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight."

~makes you think~

Gotta build that brand.

http://i.imgur.com/yrbrqBt.png

hmm maybe lived in the area for a while? this has the most details locally...

WARNING: fucked up shit

http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/33566342-75/10-dead-7-injured-in-shooting-at-umpqua-community-college-in-roseburg-gunman-dead.html.csp

That fierce discussion ensnared Hanlin himself on Thursday, when it emerged that the sheriff wrote to Vice President Joe Biden after the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting to ask him not to “tamper with or attempt to amend” the Second Amendment and warning that Hanlin and his deputies would not enforce any law they regarded as unconstitutional.

wow. obviously hanlin didn't pull the trigger, but fuck that guy a million times

Amendments that pass are inherently Constitutional, dickwad!

My gun nut ex-girlfriend (from the 90s) is now asking people on fb if they would've denied their Christianity to stay alive, and all these people are responding NO.

wtf I remember from my church days about that being pretty shameful in the eyes of god, denying your faith, but if I'd already seen this guy take out a couple of fellow students I'd become faithless as quickly as possible. This isn't a god testing you. This is a fucking loon with a firearm.

I'm not gonna judge anyone for proclaiming their faith in the face of danger.

I am totally going to judge the culture that created that danger, however.

How long will it take a gop candidate to blame Obama for this war on Christianity? I'm gonna go with huckabee