Oh the neighbors didn't suspect they lived next to a mass murderer? Great now I just need to suspect everyone I'm not already suspecting.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 October 2015 01:09 (eight years ago) link
The worst is interviewing victims, there must be a special circle of hell next to the murderers these news editors go to.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 October 2015 01:10 (eight years ago) link
the shooter's profile at some dating site.
http://spiritualpassions.com/seeme/ironcross45.html
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 2 October 2015 01:32 (eight years ago) link
http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/
gotta hope this isn't true for a zillion reasons but if he was actually a 4chan guy it certainly seems plausible
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Friday, 2 October 2015 01:57 (eight years ago) link
latest news aiui is that the shooter was not from Oregon, and did not attend the school
― sleeve, Friday, 2 October 2015 03:22 (eight years ago) link
hmm maybe lived in the area for a while? this has the most details locally...
WARNING: fucked up shit
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/33566342-75/10-dead-7-injured-in-shooting-at-umpqua-community-college-in-roseburg-gunman-dead.html.csp
was apparently targeting Christians
― sleeve, Friday, 2 October 2015 03:32 (eight years ago) link
i'm on board with repealing the second, also the confiscation and dismantling of all firearms in america
― zoso def (m bison), Friday, 2 October 2015 03:47 (eight years ago) link
this guy from the seattle times is making too much sense: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/common-sense-calls-for-repeal-of-second-amendment/
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 2 October 2015 04:00 (eight years ago) link
In one post on the blog about Vester Flanagan, the man who killed the reporter and cameraman in Virginia, Mercer apparently wrote, "I have noticed that so many people like (Flanagan) are alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems like the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight."
― hunangarage, Friday, 2 October 2015 05:14 (eight years ago) link
~makes you think~
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 October 2015 05:37 (eight years ago) link
Gotta build that brand.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 2 October 2015 08:19 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/yrbrqBt.png
― Evan, Friday, 2 October 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link
That fierce discussion ensnared Hanlin himself on Thursday, when it emerged that the sheriff wrote to Vice President Joe Biden after the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting to ask him not to “tamper with or attempt to amend” the Second Amendment and warning that Hanlin and his deputies would not enforce any law they regarded as unconstitutional.
wow. obviously hanlin didn't pull the trigger, but fuck that guy a million times
― 1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, 2 October 2015 14:11 (eight years ago) link
Amendments that pass are inherently Constitutional, dickwad!
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 2 October 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link
My gun nut ex-girlfriend (from the 90s) is now asking people on fb if they would've denied their Christianity to stay alive, and all these people are responding NO.
wtf I remember from my church days about that being pretty shameful in the eyes of god, denying your faith, but if I'd already seen this guy take out a couple of fellow students I'd become faithless as quickly as possible. This isn't a god testing you. This is a fucking loon with a firearm.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 October 2015 14:38 (eight years ago) link
I'm not gonna judge anyone for proclaiming their faith in the face of danger.
I am totally going to judge the culture that created that danger, however.
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 2 October 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
How long will it take a gop candidate to blame Obama for this war on Christianity? I'm gonna go with huckabee
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 October 2015 14:55 (eight years ago) link
feel bad that my first thought yesterday was that obama got the indignant speech quickly out of the way and now we can forget about everything again. it's not like he can do anything at this point anyway.
― scott seward, Friday, 2 October 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link
if the govt. can raise the tax on cigarettes from 30 cents to a dollar maybe that's one way of curtailing gun sales? 500 dollar federal tax on a gun. 100 dollar state tax. can they do that? or would it just be some bill that is defeated by gun nut congresspeople?
― scott seward, Friday, 2 October 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link
Chris Rock's ammo bit always seemed pretty on the nose to me.
― Famous Monsters of ILM-land (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 October 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
the whole 'he asked them if they were christian, if yes he pulled trigger, what would you say?' thing emerged with columbine but iirc it emerged to have not really happened in that case. Is the info pretty solid this time that the shooter was really quizzing people?
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Friday, 2 October 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link
muddled language there-- basically in the columbine case it was debunked
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Friday, 2 October 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
eyewitness report in the Register-Guard article I linked corroborates that version of events
― sleeve, Friday, 2 October 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link
(fwiw)
this is good too - this guy rushed the shooter, was shot five times, and probably saved a bunch of lives
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/02/forget-oregon-s-gunman-remember-the-hero-who-charged-straight-at-him.html
― sleeve, Friday, 2 October 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
shooter was also a student at a school for emotionally disturbed/spectrum-y kids in so. cal. so yeah - glad he was able to get a lot of guns.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 October 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link
xpost I get so moved by stuff like that. Like how much clear headedness does it take to not curl up in the fetal position & cry & shit your pants
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 October 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
And just like with Newtown, you have this possible mentally disturbed young adult with easy access to a whole bunch of guns -- this one had three handguns and a rifle on him -- and I just cannot figure out why these families honestly think they needed all these weapons. Because at this point, they've only ever been used for three things: 1) Sitting in a case 2) Target shooting/practice and 3) Killing a bunch of people.
The increasing frequency of #3 means #1 and #2 simply aren't good enough reasons to allow people to own these things anymore. Ban them all. Collect them up, destroy them, deploy all the drug war shit against ending firearm trafficking.
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Friday, 2 October 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
xpost That's amazing, I'm always impressed by guys out of the service, or off-duty, who still step up to protect other people. Like the guys on the train in Belgium, too. I don't know if going into battle makes you a hero, but this kind of intervention sure does. Where's the button to donate to him?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 October 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
It takes quite a bit of clear headedness, VG, but your two best choices are also the most commonly taken; you either get scarce (run or hide), or else try to negate the source of the danger. If all our ancestors had instinctively curled into a fetal position, we would not be here.
― Aimless, Friday, 2 October 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
xp there's a gofundme for him.
― new noise, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
wtf I remember from my church days about that being pretty shameful in the eyes of god, denying your faith, but if I'd already seen this guy take out a couple of fellow students I'd become faithless as quickly as possible.
In my Hebrew school we were taught pretty clearly that life is the highest value, and if somebody had a gun on you and said "eat this bacon and swear fealty to Jesus or I'll kill you," you eat the bacon and you kneel before Jesus, period.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 2 October 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon),
Dave Cullen's book is definitive imo
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 October 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link
read an underground comic when i was a kid about about a boy bullied and asked to deny his faith and finally the bullies just beat him to death and on the sidewalk before he dies he writes in his own blood: i am a christian.
i never forgot that one. i want to say it was a howard cruse comic? but i can't remember.
― scott seward, Friday, 2 October 2015 19:08 (eight years ago) link
sounds more like Jack Chick. was Cruse a Christian? that would be... weird
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 October 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
Justin Green maybe?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 October 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
Kinda hoping it was one of those Christian "Archie" comics, where "bullies" = Moose and Big Ethel, and "a boy" = Reggie.
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Friday, 2 October 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-hanlin-sandy-hook-truther
roseburg sheriff used to push the sandy hook truther shit that the grieving parents were "crisis actors" employed as a false flag by the federal govt
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Friday, 2 October 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
yep, just saw that. also this:
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/33569939-75/shooter-took-six-guns-to-umpqua-community-college-had-seven-more-at-home-officials-say.html.csp
The Umpqua Community College shooter had a total of 14 guns, officials said Friday, including six that he took the college and seven that officials found at his home.
All were purchased legally either by the shooter or his family members, officials said.
― sleeve, Friday, 2 October 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
this is not precisely true. yes to eating bacon but kneeling before Jesus is questionable, depending on whether worshiping Jesus is actually idol worship (and most historical halachic scholars have concluded it is)
― Mordy, Friday, 2 October 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link
nah, it wasn't a christian comic. something i ordered from rip off press with my paper route money when i was a kid. slow death comix or something.
― scott seward, Friday, 2 October 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
xp people forget that Ruben actually beat jesus in the finale
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 2 October 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link
the bullies just beat him to death and on the sidewalk before he dies he writes in his own blood: i am a christian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB1DIoL8LiM
― how's life, Friday, 2 October 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
Kirk Franklin gettin lazy
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Friday, 2 October 2015 21:45 (eight years ago) link
man the whole "we need to fix our mental health system" is such a red herring, isn't it? it allows people to sound like they are concerned and want to fix something, without actually being concerned or having any real interest in fixing anything.
no "mental health system," short of some sort of totalitarian minority report scenario, is going to somehow weed out anyone who may potentially pose a threat to others. not everybody who is crazy ends up on the mental-health radar. they may simply be wigging out in private, or their relatives protect/enable them, or whatever.
i'm sure there are tons of ways we could improve mental health care in this country, just as there are a million ways we could improve health care in this country full stop. but as answer to gun deaths, this is a red herring (particularly because, outside of the media spectacles that are made of things like the oregon shooting, most gun deaths are caused by loved ones, accidents--- much more "mundane," though no less horrific, events.)
― wizzz! (amateurist), Saturday, 3 October 2015 00:04 (eight years ago) link
wtf I remember from my church days about that being pretty shameful in the eyes of god, denying your faith
peter got away with it iirc
― mookieproof, Saturday, 3 October 2015 00:50 (eight years ago) link
It totally is. The same people talking about mental health being the real issue are the same people that say suicide is "for the weak" and talk about SSRIs as "mind control" pills.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 3 October 2015 03:15 (eight years ago) link
Xpost yea but Yvonne Elliman gave him the business afterwards
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 3 October 2015 03:16 (eight years ago) link
this is not precisely true. yes to eating bacon but kneeling before Jesus is questionable
Huh, that's interesting, this came up in the context of talking about ancient martyrs, and our teachers explicitly told us "that was OK in ancient times but if it happened now you save your own life." From our various discussions I am starting to understand that for an orthodox shul my talmud torah was pretty lax and liberal.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 3 October 2015 03:28 (eight years ago) link
I love(?) seeing all the "Obama is evil for politicizing this tragedy" people on Facebook politicizing the shit out of it as soon as they heard about the Christian-targeting.
― joygoat, Saturday, 3 October 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link