"Couldn't disagree more. I think the Dead were best with a single drummer."
so do most people. they seem to dislike polyrhythm.
― it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Saturday, 10 October 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
Have been on a vacation but thanks for good suggestions, have booked Live Dead and Dick's Picks 1 - looking forward to hear what it's all abt
― niels, Monday, 19 October 2015 16:59 (eight years ago) link
L/D is fantastic, but those will give you a very hermetic-sounding version of the band imo. For something with the presence of actual concert attendance, try Europe '72 and/or Dozin at the Knick, the latter latter-day but much better approximating the sound of an AUDience recording rather than one from the SoundBoarD.
― it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 00:47 (eight years ago) link
That makes sense, just booked Europe 72 too. Cool that the library has this stuff...
― niels, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 07:17 (eight years ago) link
30 Trips Around The Sun: 4-disc sampler, 26 bucks. Might do it; anybody heard most/all of this material? I've heard some of the early stuff; pretty good.http://www.amazon.com/Trips-Around-The-Sun-Definitive/dp/B00YDF76AK/ref=pd_sim_15_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=51U1LZJdfjL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR121%2C160_&refRID=0MK5E9H906F07A9QR0MM
― dow, Saturday, 31 October 2015 23:35 (eight years ago) link
i'm really enjoying it, but i'm not a dead scholar by any means. some really magical moments on the second disc especially, where the band is just totally alive and flying through musical wormholes
― brimstead, Sunday, 1 November 2015 01:00 (eight years ago) link
This makes me want to further investigate 1973, lest I have the wrong impression(s) -- is this the March '73 or September '73 Nassau show?
late answering this, but it's the March one
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 1 November 2015 01:31 (eight years ago) link
THe only thing about 73 I never really got into was the addition of 2 saxophonists for a brief while. Haven't listened to anything from that collaboration for years since I've been trying to avoid it. Could be taht it did work better than I'm remembering it.
But otherwise it does seem to be a pretty good year. I think most of the time before the supposed retirement is pretty great with the possible exceptionof '71 when they were stretching out less for a while. Though they did seem to be working as the greatest bar band ever I don't think they were as great as their more improvisatory material. Seem to be back on form by '72 and maybe it is only a short term thing after the departure of Micky Hart on discovering his father's embezzlement.
I do find myself a lot less interested in music past that retirement, though i do still like One From |The vault which is one of their rare dates from '75. Is that the date repeated in this box set?
― Stevolende, Sunday, 1 November 2015 10:59 (eight years ago) link
Finally picked up Two From the Vault after the suggestions to do so over a year ago upthread. Didn't realize it was a '68 recording. Did the lame thing and skipped right to 'Dark Star'/'St. Stephen'. Currently getting all jammy while my mom watches Megyn Kelly.
Take that, rest of the house.
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 7 November 2015 02:42 (eight years ago) link
Yeah August 68 which seems to be their peak month of a peak year. May '70 is up there too, not sure what month in 69 though Live Dead is around February I think.
August 68 is also when the bonus material on the remaster of Anthem of the Sun is from.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 7 November 2015 09:17 (eight years ago) link
So, can anyone recommend a good '75/Blues for Allah era show?
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 7 November 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
They only played four shows in '75. One of them was at Great American Music Hall, which is an incredibly small room for the Dead. That's the One from the Vault show, which is rightly acclaimed. '76 is better; I really like the Oakland Coliseum shows from October.
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 7 November 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
Cool, thanks!
Have now gone back and listened to all of Two From the Vault. 'Morning Dew' is awesome. Probably my fav version, after Europe '72.
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 7 November 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:31 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Thanks for the info! Makes sense, as all the '73 shows I've heard were later in the year/somewhat tired-sounding.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 7 November 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
Just ordered One From the Vault.
Curse your good deals, Discogs marketplace.
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:21 (eight years ago) link
really digging One From the Vault so far
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link
yeah i really came around on one from the vault (and '75 in general) recently. in particular, the vocal harmonies are really dialed in for once. might be the smaller venue that helped.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:04 (eight years ago) link
I'm hoping to get mine in the mail today.
― Austin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:11 (eight years ago) link
xpostAlso, they hadn't run their voices ragged playing 200 shows a year, that year
Really like this '76 Dick's Picks, btw - good clean sound, tight performances, great song selection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick%27s_Picks_Volume_33
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:12 (eight years ago) link
ha, yeah that's true re: the vocals. the almost all instrumental SNACK benefit show from earlier in 75 is pretty amazing, wild stuff.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link
So, going back to Two From the Vault, that's gotta be one of the "happiest" performances of 'Dark Star.' It's really bouncy and nice.
― Austin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
yeah! those early dark stars are pretty sprightly, before it became a lumbering behemoth.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link
Really into it right now.
― Austin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:33 (eight years ago) link
68-69 dark stars are outstanding, some of my favorite music from the dead. Version on two from the vault is one of the best
That whole album is incredible
― marcos, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
'76 Dick's Picks' and 'Two From the Vault' are on the bucket list
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link
I really like the Dark Star that's on disc three of this '71 set - still twinkly and exploratory, but a bit more concise than other 70s versions, and it leads into a great sequence of DS>St Stephen>Not Fade Away>Goin' Down the Road Feeling Bad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladies_and_Gentlemen..._the_Grateful_Dead
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
Oh god, yes, that Fillmore East set really goes. Wonderful 'Loser' on that as well.
― Austin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link
After a few days out of town, a package containing One From the Vault was waiting for me upon my return. Listening now, and yep, the opening 'Help on the Way'/'Slipknot!'/'Franklin's Tower' is just about as good as I had hoped for.
― Austin, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 17:39 (eight years ago) link
I love how Bill Graham introduces them one at a time, like a jazz band, while they join in noodling in the background, and then blast into "Help..."
― Retro novelty punk (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link
yeah, that's one of those classic album openings for me. my folks used to play it a lot.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link
"on rhythm guitar, mr bob wee-uh...."
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:18 (eight years ago) link
that intro is so smooth
― tylerw, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
can't remember if i already posted this but manhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9bVAdjv79g
― tylerw, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:21 (eight years ago) link
man thx to whoever recommended that oakland 76 dicks picks
― balls, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link
God Tyler that Moonlight Mile is simply wonderful, it's quarter til one in the morning after a long day where I am and it is just hitting the spot so perfect, thank you.
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 00:50 (eight years ago) link
Nice, yeah I kind of can't believe how good it is. I guess they only played it a few times.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 01:08 (eight years ago) link
awesome cut, i needed that.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 01:28 (eight years ago) link
kinda pissed about how you can stream DP's on Spotify but you have to pay up the nose if you want to buy the discs. DP 8 and 33 are currently in heavy rotation. would love to buy these, but i'm not going to buy mp3's either
― a (waterface), Monday, 7 December 2015 14:47 (eight years ago) link
It's kinda insane that Dick's Picks - both the old, oop ones and the recent "reissues" - continue to be so prohibitively expensive. 33 is one I'm still looking for, too.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Monday, 7 December 2015 14:50 (eight years ago) link
http://www.discogs.com/Grateful-Dead-Dicks-Picks-33-109-1076-Oakland-Coliseum-Stadium-Oakland-CA/release/3632454
76 bucks
― a (waterface), Monday, 7 December 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link
yeah kind of annoying -- i would definitely scoop up "budget-priced" versions of these things...
― tylerw, Monday, 7 December 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12795495_10153590877068731_5670788927179756347_n.jpg?oh=d4cafefe5989a10aed0b6c12319a68ce&oe=5767AFA5
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 20:51 (eight years ago) link
http://www.dead.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/product-main/dead_78_product_v6.jpg?1458064180
If that doesn't show up, it's the cover of July 1978: The Complete Recordings---yes, incl. Betty Boards---much more info here:http://www.dead.net/store/1970s/july-1978-complete-recordings?cmpid=dn/2016March15/1978CompleteRec-main-image-1&eml=2016March15/3264088/6131962&etsubid=33554028
― dow, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 17:53 (eight years ago) link
(also check archive.org of course)
― dow, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 17:55 (eight years ago) link
prett questionable claim from lemieux: "To many ears, mine included, 1978 is considered one of the best years in Grateful Dead history" ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 17:59 (eight years ago) link
Ha, it's always fun interpreting DeadMarketingSpeak:
"one of the best" = meh
"while it's not always mentioned in discussions of their best years..." = complete garbage.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 18:04 (eight years ago) link
haha yeah. would be funny if they just doubled down on honesty: "While Garcia is clearly sleepwalking through much of these sets, and the drummers seem to be playing two different tunes at once, we all know you're going to buy this Complete September 1984 box set. You have no choice."
― tylerw, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 18:09 (eight years ago) link
VERY questionable imo. Probably the dullest of their years.
― tobo73, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
yeah, not that i've spent a lot of time with shows from that year, but it does strike me as the worst year in the 70s. I've heard some pretty solid 79 shows anyway.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 19:39 (eight years ago) link
I am thinking they're definitely scraping now. The 67/68/69 and 91 (Branford) shows aside, the 30 Trips box for me is pretty weak. Cosign on 79 having a lot of interesting shows. Going back to Dick's Picks ...
― Brakhage, Thursday, 17 March 2016 18:34 (eight years ago) link