And so it continues :(
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/04/5-children-father-found-d_n_183207.html
― youcangoyourownway, Sunday, 5 April 2009 10:29 (fifteen years ago) link
guh guys killing their entire family and then themselves is like a fucked up category all its own. and in everyone of these stories there's a neighbor or someone saying "eh, he seemed like a nice guy"
― goaty (harbl), Sunday, 5 April 2009 13:20 (fifteen years ago) link
yep, bottling up all that depression and rage away from the neighbors is key to the formula
― Nhex, Monday, 6 April 2009 07:12 (fifteen years ago) link
i am calm in the knowledge that every neighbour i've had thinks i'm a surly asshole
― balls by titleist (electricsound), Monday, 6 April 2009 07:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent
wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.
― iatee, Monday, March 30, 2009 3:13 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
bambuti pygmies
― CHOIRS OF TUPPENCE (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 April 2009 07:45 (fifteen years ago) link
guh guys killing their entire family and then themselves is like a fucked up category all its own.
This is about ownership -- or, even more creepily, a deep-seated belief that your wife and kids are really just extensions of you, and your failure is their failure. Cannot emphasize this enough.
Sure it's a tragedy for all parties but forgive me if I can't find any sympathy for men who emotionally, deep down, believe that kind of thing. "Since I can't care for this thing I created, it is mine to take out of the world when I go."
― guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 13:53 (fifteen years ago) link
or, indeed, women.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Sure. But that's a different phenomenon.
― guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
i think it's the same dynamic, whether it's fuelled by power (in the cases by father) or despair (as the few high profiles cases involving mothers in ireland have maybe been), though- "you can't go on without me".
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link
now with extra xenophobia. Yay, America.
lol
― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Hmm. Maybe you've had more cases in the news involving mothers -- I don't feel like that's very high-profile here. Seems like...we think mothers kill from post-partum depression or anger/frustration (shaken baby syndrome), but we don't have the ownership thing so much.
― guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Maybe you've had more cases in the news involving mothers
yeah, definitely (ireland). whether that's a reporting thing or otherwise, it's hard to say, but i don't think it would account for all of it (a guy killing his family would still be front page news in a country this size, but i suppose a mother even more so).
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link
It's an interesting question whether it's in the reporting, or in the different societal conceptions of mothers that apply different pressures to people.
― guys i need to eliminate this business associate and im really nervous (Laurel), Monday, 6 April 2009 16:36 (fifteen years ago) link
The gunman in the Pittshurgh police shooting was apparently one of the Alex Jones/tin hat crowd.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09095/960750-53.stm
― BRTO (Mexican Sleeping Pill), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Even more charming stuff.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 April 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, definitely (ireland)
Is Ireland the only place that has a folk history of songs about infanticide? (OK, I know - a whole different thread but it immediately struck me when I read that.
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 6 April 2009 17:11 (fifteen years ago) link
i dunno, name another? it's definitely a valid subgenre that exists.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Monday, 6 April 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/12/world/middleeast/12iraq.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print
Active military gets in on the act.
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Monday, 11 May 2009 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8345713.stm
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 5 November 2009 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11451553
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 November 2009 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link
i just hope they kill some cops
― spergliacci (cankles), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link
sort of deflated that (obviously retarded) argument that if everyone had guns shootings wouldn't be a problem in amurica.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link
can't be a man without guns, world's a better place with guns ~crosses arms~
― jØrdån (omar little), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
*shoots omar in the arms*
― TGAAPQ (Mr. Que), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link
it'll take a lot more than that
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2008/06/06/20080606_steroiduser2.jpg
― jØrdån (omar little), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
america went a relatively long time without this happening
― Peepoop Patel (harbl), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
*deflates omar's arms with a safety pin**
― TGAAPQ (Mr. Que), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
cankles, thats a really shitty thing to say.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
sssssssss
― jØrdån (omar little), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Fort Hood, near the town of Killeen, is the largest US base in the world.
killeen incidentally the location of the 2nd deadliest shooting spree in US history
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link
killeen spree
― Peepoop Patel (harbl), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I bet, from now on, there will be media races to grab tags like FtHoodShootings.
― Action Orientation (Eazy), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe 3 gunmen now being reported
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah it's sad that there are people here won't ever accept the proposition that maybe, just maybe there are too many guns in this country
― Nhex, Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
it was on a military base! the argt that there are too many or too few guns in civilian hands is kind of moot. (unless i'm missing some crucial detail to the whole thing) no matter what kind of gun-ownership situation we have, there are going to be some guns at fort hood.
― goole, Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
For the most part, no one has guns on a military base outside of MPs and people using them on-duty. Soldiers can register private weapons on base, but they have to be locked up and transported to and from hunting/range without deviation.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
surely it doesn't matter where it was- if people have access to guns, eventually someone is going to use them to shoot a bunch of people.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Update 3:36 Fort Hood officials say they cannot confirm whether the shooters were military or civilians.
^^ yeah maybe i spoke too soon.
― goole, Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
... Really? Isn't that like saying "if people have access to knives, eventually someone is going to use them to stab a bunch of people"?
I mean, I am not an advocate of widespread gun access but I am also not an advocate of making up bullshit premises so you can scare people into doing what you want them to do.
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i've got fam at ft hood right now
waiting on word
― Nanobots: HOOSTEEND (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
(I would likely support the argument that guns have been desensitized into playthings and we, as a society, have become too irresponsible to be trusted with them as a reason for gun control)
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Dan: Yes but at least knives have other uses? Guns can't prepare food, they just kill.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Um... what?
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link
i dunno. i'm all tv-ed out.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
are you saying that the military shouldnt have guns
― spergliacci (cankles), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
U.S. Rep. McCaul, maybe unaware soldiers are suspects, calls shooting "coordinated attack against our military" and "an act of terror."
― Action Orientation (Eazy), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
shhhh prez is on..
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
There you go, Cankles:General says dead include a civilian police officer from the Ft. Hood police force.
― Action Orientation (Eazy), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
brb, gonna go shoot up some fried turkey
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I hear it's hell on the veins
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link