YOUNG THUG vs FUTURE

if this included Tha Tour Pt 1 it'd be Thug easy but as is, it's prob Future.

Going with Thug. His highs are higher this year.

Interesting b/c for all the similarities, they seem to be on divergent paths right now. Thug's output is so wide-ranging and expansive, while Future's narrowed his sound down to something powerful but monochromatic. I'd probably vote Thug based on his capacity to surprise.

Really to me it comes down to song construction, and future has made more classic songs in his recent run than thug, imo

People are still giving props to rappers for churning out a lot of material w/out considering that not every thug song (or future song for that matter) is worth their time and it might seem like it's elevating the artists but really it's grading them on a curve that ends up downplaying the great shit and overplaying the filler

personally, i need to marinate in this slime for a few more weeks before making the call

u have 6 days

either way if this is the only rap music u listen to F.U. imo

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 2, 2015 11:59 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you could do a lot worse than listening to these two. i listened to ds2 almost exclusively for all of sep-oct

Interesting b/c for all the similarities, they seem to be on divergent paths right now. Thug's output is so wide-ranging and expansive, while Future's narrowed his sound down to something powerful but monochromatic.

― Evan R, Monday, November 2, 2015 1:26 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

interesting, imo thug is also converging towards something

i love the pure texture of future's voice (prob top 5 human voice timbre of all time) but i like the things thug does with his voice more..?

lex + deej who are ur fav rappers this year?

xp yeah totally agree with that. Everything that comes out of Future's voice just naturally sounds good; you definitely can't say the same for Thug.

But Thug pushes his voice more

imo thug is also converging towards something

yea ss2 made me think about this a little more

thug the most vocally angelic rapper in the game ever gtfoh

i love thugs voice dgmw im just saying like, i could listen to future read a dictionary & i'd be like ♪(]^_^[)♪

also many xps but idk if a future/thug tape would work out, it'd have to be super focused and deliberate vibe, not sure if a haphazardly thrown together tape would work out well w/ these guys? maybe i'm wrong -- i think i read some producer (metro boomin maybe) saying they really work very similarly, very fast, very spontaneous in the moment

thug the most vocally angelic rapper in the game ever gtfoh

― tpp, Monday, November 2, 2015 4:11 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love thugs voice dgmw im just saying like, i could listen to future read a dictionary & i'd be like ♪(]^_^[)♪

― flopson, Monday, November 2, 2015 4:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea, agree w/ flopson, thug has some really astonishing highs but there are plenty of tracks where i just really don't like his voice, plenty of thugger tracks that are fucking annoying

At least I notice when I hear one of his tracks tho, March Madness aside everything I've heard from Future might as well've been white noise

lex + deej who are ur fav rappers this year?

angel haze and vince staples

mozzy & ty money

this is so hard. a few months ago i'd have def said YT but I've been getting into Future a lot more recently and not so much Barter 6

oh last 12 months? Future then. But I haven't heard the Slimes

i like young thug more as an artist but future's having a better run so i vote future

Agree with this. I didn't think Future had an album like DS2 in him anymore.

both artists are better than they've ever been for me - i was very surprised that i fell as hard for future's output as i have this year, harder than i ever did before (i went back to the pre-DS2 mixtapes and they're all amazing), and i was very surprised that i finally clicked with thug with the slime seasons and "pacifier" having previously found him pretty unlistenable

i wouldn't say i'm enraptured with the timbre of either's voice but something about the production choices and songwriting frames them better for me now

fyi you were also wrong about chief keef, who's had an alright year if not as strong as his 2014 in my eyes

future's been more consistent but i love barter 6 the most out of all the tapes. so uh thug

i don't think i was wrong, i just like the new stuff more than the old stuff

i liked bang 3 in a non-coommittal sort of way

on the subject of chicago rappers i can't believe no one's repping harder for nutty world 2, fire from start to finish

(is what a time to be alive remotely essential despite being a drake hater? i have no motivation to listen to it)

lex there are some really good future tracks on it that are very much in the same vein as the rest of his work from this year, drake isn't even on every song

after many tries (1017 Thug, Black Portland, Tha Tour Pt. 1 and mostly lagoon's Straye Thugs comp), i still don't "get" YT. i just can't get motivated to bother w/ Barter or the Slimes

too bad dude barter & both slimes are way better than than the older mixtapes though i guess if you can't find something to love in those than there's no use in trying the newer stuff

nah i still can't find much to love in the older mixtapes, the new ones are a huge step up

SS1 has terrific use of pianos

either way if this is the only rap music u listen to F.U. imo

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 2, 2015 11:59 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i find it hard to believe there are people who would dig future + young thug but not listen to other rap music?

there aren't, that claim is straight deejery.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWJI_zeDK0Q

gtfowtbs

there are definitely ppl on twitter & ilx for whom this is the bulk of / 90% of their rap listening in 2015

nah i still can't find much to love in the older mixtapes, the new ones are a huge step up

SS1 has terrific use of pianos

― lex pretend, Tuesday, November 3, 2015 11:26 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they're really not a huge step up from the rich gang tape you're just having trouble backtracking entirely

xp oh im so sorry i forgot about fetty wap, there's your 90%

hip hop partisanship is such a balkanized and paranoid stance, cannot imagine a country fan being "oh so you mostly listen to zac brown and dierks bentley and jason isbell; LAME your opinion doesn't matter"

voted future btw

2015 is one of the few years in recent memory where most of the music that's been the most talked about and widely listened to is also some of the best: Future, Thug, Kendrick, Fetty Wap, even Chance and Donnie Trumpet.

So with all due respect, IF you're going to fill your 90% rap quota with only two artists you could do a lot worse than Future and Thug, two of the most important rappers of this era, arguably at the top of their powers, who, between the two of them, have released 8 good to great projects within the past 12 months.

And I do know you're always ahead of every other rap listener ever, deej, and that sometimes makes it difficult to argue with you, but Power is still a better song than any of Mozzy's.
And I do like Mozzy.

yeah imo future and thug have released the bulk of / 90% of the best rap in 2015

but part of that is just the odds given that they both release a lot more music than, say, earl or kendrick or nef the pharaoh

fetty wap is not a rapper

2015 is one of the few years in recent memory where most of the music that's been the most talked about and widely listened to is also some of the best

earl's album = the other 10%

2015 is one of the few years in recent memory where most of the music that's been the most talked about and widely listened to is also some of the best: Future, Thug, Kendrick, Fetty Wap, even Chance and Donnie Trumpet.

don't think this is true, there's still amazing stuff that mysteriously gets shut out of the discussion entirely (ANGEL HAZE)

also not to bang on about this yet again but do people ever have any self-awareness about the lack of female artists when they reel off lists of men like that

I wish I could love Angel Haze like you do, Lex. I also wish there were more female artists making rap music that I'd consider for a list like that. I mean, there are good songs here and there, but your enthusiasm for these projects seems a little bit over the top at times.

i have no idea how anyone can hear angel haze and not realise what a special, one-off talent they are

anyway i feel everyone's enthusiasm for young thug is still over the top so

Oh I'm not questioning her talent. Just her ability to make music I have any use for right now.

feels kind of reductive to reduce music - esp music as personal and confessional as haze's - to such a purely utilitarian use, what makes young thug's music "useful" to you in a way that angel haze's is not?

If I didn't enjoy Barter 6 is there any point my investigating the others? Predictably I like Thug as a presence but very few of his production choices.

Also the thing is - why do these guys release so much music? I get that there's mad demand right now but when you're releasing 50-60 tracks per year, are all of them actually worth releasing? Like how high is the quality control really? Why not just release one amazing mixtape with all the best stuff on it.

I think there are really obvious reasons why the Angel Haze album is making an emotional connection with people but also reasons why it might be an intimidating edifice and not functionally particularly useful. Also the fact that she essentially self-sabotaged her major album release suggests that there's minimal PR effort going into the new one.

OTOH if a reasonably-established male rapper had released some of those tracks (especially Impossible) you wouldn't be able to move for fawning thinkpieces.

Kind of a similar appeal to Roxy Music weirdly

funny how art works makes u think

xp to UMS I think Group Home has a lot of sorrow in it

go for your sorrow boom boom explode!

I have a strange desire to buy cartier socks now

I think I like Huncho Jack, Jack Huncho better than this

But Without Warning is better than both.

Listened to it today, and Real Love sounded like such a sad sequel to Turn On the Lights. Something about the autotuned Future voice in the background.

i can't hang w/21 savage

yeah without warning >

On his own, 21 Savage is dull, but he is the perfect foil for Offset at his most hyper.

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oops, I mean:

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"way 2 sexy" is future's first number one, yes?

i just looked and for singles yes, the majority of his albums have been #1 tho https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_discography

mask off at 5 is his his only big hit on his own

Weird, I don't really pay attention to what's in the charts but I honestly thought Future's time in the sun had passed but his last album made number 5 in the UK

Mask off being his biggest hit is a bizarre blip of timing w the advent of streaming and the strength of meme novelty, def not his biggest record in real world sense

not sure what else it would be... turn on the lights idk, i think meme novelty counts

it doesnt though..that song didn't get more club play or whatever. its like saying "thank you next" by ariana grande is bigger than "vogue" by madonna, or that certified lover boy is bigger than thriller. get real

if you see future live, it def feels like “march madness” is his biggest track, but i do think “mask off” is likely the future song a casual music fan is likely to know

march madness is def his best song and yeah prob the fave w his big fans

xheugy eddy (D-40)
Posted: September 16, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM
it doesnt though..that song didn't get more club play or whatever. its like saying "thank you next" by ariana grande is bigger than "vogue" by madonna, or that certified lover boy is bigger than thriller. get real

omg im not saying any of those things im just saying it counts some amount

all songs are memes if you think about it, the club is a group chat

dirty sprite is ten years old so many greta tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCpWu_4wpoM

God I thought you meant DS2 for a second there

its 11 years old

i musta read the tweet wrong. even older then

it's also wild to me that he was 28 when ds1 dropped!

*27. still tho!

futurism

Chief Keef really did belong in the conversation at this time lol . faneto was only a year old when the thread started

i like the adlib abt his struggles w data backup

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otm

Ok so astronaut status is 10 today lol

I find it weird that Mask Off still hasn't become a major pandemic hit.

future say shit like "your racks will neva b honorable" i really fuck wit dude music alot

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