Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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wow

so is this "circulating" yet?

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link

well you can listen to a bunch of it on that NPR link upthread

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link

xpost to Euler: do your own homework, young man. Think this might be the same take of "Barbed Wire Fence" (Bloomfield playing those bob wire riffs?) as on the excellent Series of Dreams, and seem to recall SoD incl. even faster "It Takes A Lot To Laugh..."--anyway, past the okay acoustic and maybe semi-acoustic versions, some with not-quite-there-yet lyrics, the fast versions are all fun, and I def. never thought of "Johanna" as a fast girl, but can see why he chose the slower masters, as effective changes of pace: world-weary "up all night" "Train" between the spiky roadkill races and mood-swing ballads on Highway 61, slower, spookier prowl in the dank smokey mood halls of Blonde on Blonde's "Visions," where we also got cooler, dryer blues for "Leopard-Skin" and "Pledging My Time," etc. But yeah good to have these; also wish he'd found room on one of the original LPs for the Stonsey "If You Gotta Go (Go Now)." Sounds like he's in some kind of triangle on "She's Your Lover Now"; don't remember that one!

dow, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link

lol @ bob wire

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link

"She's Your Lover Now"

this was bootlegged a lot, incredible song

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link

yeah, the solo piano version was booted, the (barely) incomplete version showed up on the first bootleg series, both incredible. take on the NPR stream is very different. actually sounds very close to the early waltz-time "rolling stone"s actually. will be interesting to hear how it developed ... and then undeveloped, I guess, since they gave up on it at some point.

tylerw, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link

Sure I remember Greil Marcus quoting it in Mystery Train

Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link

on this unreleased take i think he says "what are ya some kinda moose - Ain’t there nothin’ you can say?" lol

tylerw, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link

have been avoiding even thinking about this but that ^^^ may have trapped me

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link

Dunno if this was its first appearance, but the same take on The Bootleg Series showed up on this (presumably 70s) boot:
https://bfrenzy.s3.amazonaws.com/items/221605627688.jpg

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG8Hi-fpyLI

Nothin tu to turn off imo

niels, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link

the over-the-top THUD THUD THUD THUD loud/fast version of johanna from the no direction home soundtrack was my #1 on the dylan poll for some reason. this one is warm+thoughtful in comparison. better prob but less melodramatic + bobvoice-stuffed (like vocal gifs). still the most amazing song.

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link

should be an all-johanna bootleg comp called versions of johanna.

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link

"cutting edge" version does come at the bottom of this partic heap imo:

mona LISA must have had the highway blues, YOU CAN TELL BY HER SMILE < BUT mona LIsa must'vehadthehighway BLUES you can TELL by the WAY she SMILES < buuuuut mona LIsa MUST'vehad the HIGHwayblues, YOUCANTELLTHATBYTHEWAYSHESMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILES

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link

xp ha i actually did that a while ago -- though i called it Freeze Out ...
think this latest version of VofJ is the loud/fast version! i mean, it couldn't be any faster, i don't think. the one on no direction home is kinda stately...

tylerw, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link

yeah yr prob right. just punchier.

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link

I'm pretty into this so far....for me, Dylan bootleg series entries generally fall into 3 categories:

1) official release of some legendary shit (Live 66, Basement Tapes Complete)

2) ones that attempt to redefine your perception of an era (Another Self-Portrait, Rolling Thunder, Tell-Tale Signs)

3) Catnip for hardcore Dylan dorks

This is squarely in category 3 (it's not like this era is exactly in need of critical reappraisal), but it's pretty fun for me

I think my 2 dream Bootlegs at this point are:

1) Christian era outtakes/live/etc a la Another Self-Portrait/Tell-Tale Signs

2) A 3-CD version of Blood on the Tracks that breaks the album down into 2 different version - the NYC version and the Minneapolis version, then a 3rd CD of outtakes

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link

4) A compilation of great never ending tour live material with great sound

niels, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link

Lol my count's terrible

niels, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link

xxp luckily for you I think both of those will probably happen in the next decade

sleeve, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link

4) A compilation of great never ending tour live material with great sound
this would be great, but i'd probably prefer like a dick's/dave's picks kinda approach w/ this stuff, with full shows, rather than a comp? i don't know, i'd take anything. i love the neverending tour.

tylerw, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link

do you know if they've made a habit of recording it (i mean Dylan's actual crew in a professional manner not just tapers)?

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link

Full shows would be great too, and probably more in the spirit of the neverending community

Really hope someone's been taping good - but iirc judging from audio quality on live takes from tell tale signs maybe not

niels, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:31 (eight years ago) link

some shows sound like they might be professionally recorded---maybe not soundboard, but maybe by a professional? Like Pete Cosey mentioned to an interviewer that he was in the habit of recording while onstage with Miles (kept a box of tapes under his bed, listened when he felt like it).

dow, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link

After this sampler, I wanna hear a fast-ass "Sad-Eyed Lady Of Thee Lowlands."

dow, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link

Surprised there hasn't been talk of a live '65-'66 box.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link

OK wow this double time boogie Visions of Johanna

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link

you know what this reminds me of a bit? Jason & the Scorchers' cover of "Absolutely Sweet Marie"

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:43 (eight years ago) link

Surprised there hasn't been talk of a live '65-'66 box.
wouldn't be tooooo surprised if this came out next year? complete newport set, hollywood bowl, the rumored carnegie hall tape, and various euro 66...

tylerw, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link

I don't think I ever realized Like a Rolling Stone was in 3/4 until hearing this rehearsal take. Is the released version in 4/4? Now I can't remember....

Darin, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link

it switches up to 4/4 at some point

tylerw, Monday, 2 November 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link

Released version 4/4

Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 2 November 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link

samples of all the six disc tunes here: http://www.bobdylan.com/us/music/bootleg-series-vol-12-cutting-edge-1965-1966-deluxe-edition

tylerw, Monday, 2 November 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link

is it just me or does the cover art look very amateurish? maybe they're mimicing unauthorized boots

http://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2015/10/150924_boot12_cover-575x560-575x5601-575x560.jpg

niels, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 09:22 (eight years ago) link

Ah

Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 09:34 (eight years ago) link

See what you're getting at

Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 09:41 (eight years ago) link

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/music/194509/a-j-weberman?utm_source=tabletmagazinelist&utm_campaign=fe29e8a762-Sunday_November_1_201510_30_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c308bf8edb-fe29e8a762-207197409

Weird article about wacky guy A. J. Weberman, who would go through Bob Dylan's trash

A conversation with the noted garbologist about Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Meir Kahane, being a drug dealer, and what’s wrong with NY today

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link

you can never get at the good garbage anymore

not lie in the old days

j., Tuesday, 3 November 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link

great picture of a very, very strung out dylan

flappy bird, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link

take 1 of just like a woman here: http://www.vulture.com/2015/11/hear-alternate-version-of-bob-dylans-just-like-a-woman.html#

tylerw, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:14 (eight years ago) link

I believe there was an incident of fisticuffs between the two (xpost)

Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link

i have thrown dumbs many a bime in my time, right on this thread in fact

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link

There was a bootleg consisting of Dylan and U-Don't-AJ-Weberman screaming at each other on the phone (or that's the way it was billed: somebody was screaming at somebody, apparently, although I never heard it). Also supposedly, AJ put all of Dylan's lyrics into a computer, which deduced that they were all about heroin.

dow, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link

duh?

dow, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link

AJ put all of Dylan's lyrics into a computer, which deduced that they were all about heroin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwh1INne97Q

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link

the weberman thing is kind of interesting as an example of an artist actually engaging (briefly) with a truly nutso fan -- almost (not quite haha) like the Beatles having a sitdown w/ Charles Manson.

tylerw, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link

isn't it weird that even in a 30-second commercial, bob dylan cannot do a convincing line reading to save his life?

i don't know what ever gave them the idea that he should or could be in films.

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CPg5bekUsAEYkds.mp4

tylerw, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link

damn it!
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CPg5bekUsAEYkds.mp4

tylerw, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link

xpost

that's just one of the ways that neil young takes after his idol. he, too, has negative screen presence.

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link


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