I think you're being uncharitable about fav'ing Branwell. Sometimes I fav rather than reply out of a kind of.. modesty? Like - I like what you said, however I don't have anything very valuable to say in response that would merit actual typing, so I'm keeping schtum, but I want you to know that I read it.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 7 November 2015 11:18 (eight years ago) link
Yeah most ppl I follow and haven't even met (and will ever meet) (when they are people and not cinemas). Sometime I type something to what they've said, sometimes I might fave when I have nothing but like it (or even love it, so the heart vs star thing is an almighty shrug). Certainly don't think about it in terms of level of friendship - totally unbothered by the fact some people don't follow me back. Sometimes they do and its nice but not a necessity.
I certainly type something to a random person I follow if I feel like it (as I was doing on Corbyn just now), or on Tarkovsky's Mirror. Sometime there is a particle of interaction sometimes not.
With twitter I feel informed and entertained - it sometimes take more of my time than it should but that's something for me to change. So a lot like television but with a channel that often is worth a visit.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 November 2015 11:56 (eight years ago) link
Tracer, am I correct in assuming that when you use the fave in that way, you are doing it with someone that you also share actual twitter replies and conversations with, (or even IRL exchanges with) as well as just fave-ing them? Like, that's fair enough. It's an "I've read and understood" the same way that people often use the fave to end a conversation, after exchanging a couple of replies, then ending with a fave is like the polite "goodbye" before you hang up the phone - "I concur with what you've said, but I've nothing more to add to the conversation." That is fair enough.
But I'm talking about people who follow me, but never have any other interactions except the fave. That I find weird, and slightly creepy, like, what are you doing, watching me like a television? It's the kind of interaction one uses with people one does not actually know, e.g. celebrities. A pop star posts a photo and you don't know them so of course you're not going to reply, you just fave the photo. (It's the kind of "engagement" platforms want you to have with "brands"l not a way you interact with human beings.) But if it's someone I know, and their only method of interaction with me is to star the occasional tweet, instead of talking to me... like, do they really think that is somehow performing friendship at me? It is not communicating anything except the fact that you are clicking buttons at me. I readjust my conception of that relationship as "not real; purely performative" and adjust my expectations accordingly.
I certainly understand that social media relationships are not translatable with real-world interactions. People can be great to be with in person, and not-great on social media, and vice versa. But I do think, from reading this thread, that there are ways people behave on social media that they *believe* to be expressing one thing; but being on the receiving end of them actually communicates something totally different!
― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 7 November 2015 12:12 (eight years ago) link
It's not a perfect analogy, but it's kind of like the difference between listening and eavesdropping?
Listening is a two-sided activity as part of a conversation, an exchange. If one person just speaks and the other just sticks stars or hearts on them, that is not actually a conversation, and it's a very poor basis for a friendship.
(It's not perfect because of the asymmetrical nature of twitter, eavesdropping is its very nature.)
― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 7 November 2015 12:30 (eight years ago) link
It's a balance between replies and fav'ing. Like Tracer sometimes I fav without conversation, other times I pepper the conversation with fav's. Sometimes I converse and then end the conversation with a fav. It's like a good bye, I need to end this conversation right now. Sometimes I fav, retweet, then converse.
― Jeff, Saturday, 7 November 2015 12:44 (eight years ago) link
It's a mechanism that people can use any which way they please. That bugs twitter that they just can't say, here is what this button does to new users. It's evolved into what is essentially parallel to some sort of visual/audible feedback that you have in real life conversations. A nod, an uh huh, that's right, a good bye.
― Jeff, Saturday, 7 November 2015 12:46 (eight years ago) link
But if it's someone I know, and their only method of interaction with me is to star the occasional tweet, instead of talking to me
Its strange...but it depends. If you meet them IRL every now and then and feels good then I'd cast it as a bad-habit picked up while online. And there are many of those.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 November 2015 12:50 (eight years ago) link
It would definitely be weird if someone I've never met faved (fav'd?) a bunch of stuff on the reg and never otherwise corresponded. Maybe that kind of thing happens more when you've got a shitload of followers (which I don't)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 7 November 2015 13:09 (eight years ago) link
I'm going to star carrying around a bunch of star stickers and placing them on people's foreheads when they say something awesome.
― Jeff, Saturday, 7 November 2015 13:29 (eight years ago) link
I don't have a ton of followers either. Maybe it's just another of those weird internet things that just doesn't happen to men. I've no idea!
(I think probably not. I think it is one of those things about mismatches in terms of understanding the shallowness or depth of acquaintance. But I could be wrong.)
― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 7 November 2015 13:32 (eight years ago) link
Funny, I've never really thought of Twitter as a forum for conversation. If one breaks out that's fine but it usually feels like a postscript to the original tweet. And I love getting fav'd by anyone - strangers, friends, quasi-friends. I don't generally expect replies to anything, so I guess I'm fine with people "watching me like television" as Branwell says - which also describes how I approach the people I follow. (I'll fave a lot though).
A pop star posts a photo and you don't know them so of course you're not going to reply, you just fave the photoThis is exactly something I would NOT fave - pop stars don't need any extra validation from me
I will miss the Twitter stars. I've always felt a star was more difficult to get from your followers than, say, a heart on Instagram (definitely statistically true) so a starred tweet was more of an achievement. Now I imagine the Twitter hearts will become like devalued stars.
― Josefa, Saturday, 7 November 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
wow I sure left twitter at the right time
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 November 2015 17:57 (eight years ago) link
it's interesting to me how fickle people's relationship to twitter is: "oh, now it's a heart? i'm fucking out of here" or "they put top posts at the top of the feed now? unacceptable level of mediation--COUNT ME OUT." these reactions are hilarious and incomprehensible to me. i love twitter and am super addicted to it. there's nothing else like it and i don't think there's anything feature that would fundamentally change its function or my relationship to it
― flopson, Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
the "while you were away" thing is like 3 tweets that are very easy to ignore
― k3vin k., Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link
the worst thing that happened to twitter was the professionalization/legitimization of it, things r always better before anyone takes them serious
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link
theyve added a lot of cruft to the product but it still p much works the same as always
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link
mostly the changes have been good imo! like remember when we all thought the RT button was dumb, or the conversation lines were dumb, actually those things ended up being good and not dumb
― k3vin k., Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
most of the changes have been subtle tho like lagoon says the way i use twitter now is m/l the way i used it 5 years ago
― k3vin k., Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
the quoting rt feature they put in not long ago is like the best thing ever but nobody thinkpieces improvements bc humans are terrible
― (extremely hoops voice) (Clay), Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
yes otm
― k3vin k., Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:49 (eight years ago) link
― k3vin k., Saturday, November 7, 2015 3:47 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
some of them are good some not so good but even if you added only good functionality when taken together the overall effect degrades the simplicity and therefor usability of the thing, the impression w twitter is they have a lot of ppl adding things and no one pruning, which is prob an effect of an overly analytics based approach its easy to measure what a new feature does but its hard to pinpoint an over all suffering experience, tho of course as weve seen all these new features have failed to actually grow their base anyway
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
its kinda interesting watching software age and enter its baroque phase, facebook obvs is nearly incomprehensible theres so much shit in there, but you dont really need to comprehend it you just look at yr feed and its more popular than ever
instagram is the polar opposite where they have fanatically kept their design simple and locked down, tho theyve has creeping functionality too, instagram is the worst tho so i guess i have some love for complexity and def weirdness
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
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i wasn't on twitter before it became legit but the fact that pros and legits coexist with trolls and teenagers &c is one of my fav things about it
― flopson, Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
true that is p good
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
id say as far as being interesting from a design/culture standpoint
snapchat > twitter > facebook > instagram > linkdin
as far as how much i use them tho
twitter > facebook > instagram > snapchat > linkdin
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link
snapchat is almost just messaging tho but it does have some social features so its ok to include it
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
i was just about to create a linkedin profile when i got offered a job
― flopson, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
i havent really used it but linked in is insanely awful
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link
I endorse you for Social Media
― kinder, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:05 (eight years ago) link
ty i endorse u for compliment culture
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:09 (eight years ago) link
linkedin is awful but I like it for being able to keep tabs on whether people I once knew might be useful to me professionally. And nobody tries to talk to me on it.
― pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link
yea i will definitely join next time i'm on job market and hit up old colleagues classmates & alumni networks... seems gd annoying tho
― flopson, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
snapchat is the most legit. generally into streaming/vid content creation platforms. snapchat stories are my favorite
i used to be really into twitter but ended up locking myself out of my account somehow. i created another account but never told anyone and post semi-infrequently so i only have like 5 followers which i really like. it makes me really happy when totally random ppl rt or fav me because it feels so old-internet. instagram is really terrible now i think
― dead (Lamp), Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:51 (eight years ago) link
have u guys seen yeti its like snapchat stories except organized exclusively around colleges its... pretty good lmao
http://i.imgur.com/S8EVgI3.png
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/FCAwzbb.jpg
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:01 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/XhmZw69.jpg
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:02 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/bTyScBO.jpg
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:08 (eight years ago) link
haha yeah someone linked me to it. last time i looked it was like 80% people making facebook img jokes though
― dead (Lamp), Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
these r all from the cu boulder feed btw
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:18 (eight years ago) link
wonder what the most lit campus is to follow
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link
need more pix of keg stands
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:23 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/ZB6cuv2.png
omg lol
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link
Can't tell if pants wetting or shadow.
― austinato (Austin), Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
more into whatsapp these days
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:56 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 November 2015 21:00 (2 hours ago)
Outrageous dodging of ilx ranking itt
― MONKEY had been BUMMED by the GHOST of the late prancing paedophile (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 November 2015 23:49 (eight years ago) link
http://dumbcuneiform.com/
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 November 2015 01:13 (eight years ago) link
my alma mater is all about anonymous gossip on Yik Yak apparently atm
― pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Sunday, 8 November 2015 02:06 (eight years ago) link
disruptive bullying platform
― lag∞n, Sunday, 8 November 2015 02:14 (eight years ago) link
yik yak here is 80% "i'm depressed and lonely" / 20% "I just took a huge shit, wow"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 8 November 2015 02:31 (eight years ago) link