The hipster ethos, as promulgated in Vice Magazine, is indistinguishable from Ayn Rand's Objectivism

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as for me, ixnay on the ohjo-May: the only magazine I read regularly is the Momus-Arguers' Gazette, which is so next-paradigm that it's printed on edible panties

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think it's that new. I do think it has set the tone of the early naughties, though. And that's why you're calling it cliched. There is a danger that it becomes a parody of itself now because the style is so recognisable. They're keeping this at bay by opening in new territories. I can't say where right now, but there's an important new Vice edition due next month. What will be interesting is to see how their patented style goes down in some very different cultures.

BTW, they haven't sent me any coke yet.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

heat is hotter than cool!!

vice is more vicious than morality!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

x-post

But it reads like the National Lampoon ca. 1979!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

you gotta get on 'em about that coke btw or they're just gonna give it all to the doorman

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

(which is lampoon way past peak btw)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

"different cultures" o no, not a tyneside edition of vice! we are not ready!!

(x-post, really people, "heat" is teh sukc)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

you sound like the marketing department! my case, rests. vice is old-hat. to be consumed by wannabe-hipsters whilst others move on to more exciting territories.

i mean, john is right -- national lampoon and mad were 'cutting edge' and they faded. vice has faded! i would rather read my national enquirer photo coffeebook than be seen with vice!

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

next year: in hennys - vice clothing as approved by vice!!! vice suxxx.

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

sux is the new rox!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

I am not as harsh on 'em as doomie, I just wish they didn't think they were breaking new ground every time they make a Real Big Point of being white kids using the word "nigger"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

mark it is SO GREAT to have you back

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

*checks if ilx standard is going up or down*

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

radio times is radder than tv quick?

― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

doomie: ooo - mark s where did you get that shirt?
mark s: from the henny vice counter.
doomie: ooo - so outre!

john, i'm not being harsh. its just facts!!!!!

vice suxxx.

maybe in ten years time there will be an ironic revival?

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

the only way is up mark

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

It is going up indeed. Rah for the Mark S!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

ILX with Mark S is sooooooo 2001! But 2001 is hip again!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

yes, mark s is the new vice!!!

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

hahahaha

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

'honey, i got this magazine called vice. its kerrazy. they are a bunch of sweary marys but its fun!'
'ooo. let me see!'

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

magazines are all shit. let's burn them all.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

(except for ,i>craft)

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

(except for craft)

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

b-b-but porn?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

don't but it...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

don't BUY it, i meant

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

read me: i am old coke

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

b-b-butt porn?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

don't try it, either

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

vice is new coke.

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

The Vice editor and publisher were all over our early Vice threads, you know. I really thought they were going to give me editorship of Vice India or let me invade Abyssinia for the way I was defending the mag. In fact they just sent me a free Vice book and asked me to write an article about teddy bears.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Momus I totally respect that you're reppin' for your hood. And of course as an entry-level classicist I have no problem at all with the rehashing of old tropes. But to hear you say that Vice "set the tone" makes me want to say "oh come now" all waggly-finger-like. Vice takes its tone from a lot of American television, esp. cable stuff (Talk Soup, the Daily Show), zips it up with a little profanity & race-baiting/racial commentary (depending on how you look at it), and cribs a few notes from the late Doug Kenny. No shame in most of that! I laughed a couple of times at the last issue I bought! But I don't see them doing much that Jim Goad didn't already do about five times louder in Answer Me! (which I, po-faced puritan that I am, naturally hated).

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Is the stuff at the link posted above representative of the general content of the magazine?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i didn't care for jim goad either

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

If you bought Vice, J0hn, you have been ripped off. It's a free magazine.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

if it's got ads in it, it ain't free ma-an

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

vice is boring. i'm out of here!

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

mis-typed, didn't mean "bought" but "saw"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

as I neither bought nor picked up an issue but only read copies that were in people's houses or recording studios

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

And honestly, I have nothing to add on the racial epithets issue. Language changes.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha. yeah right, 'sure', j0hn!

― a fool and his money, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

that "language changes" thing is the biggest red herring ever. That "language changes" neither explains nor excuses trust-funded white kids calling each other "nigger" for kicks and pretending that they're only reflecting "new developments in language use."

and yes ok I paid 20 bucks for my copy 'cos it had Momus in it and what of it, then

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha!!

― a food and his money, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

i stole a copy then gave money to some random person, it's the new commerce

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

ok, that's 100, stop now.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

PUNK ROXXX DISTRIBUTION!!!!! will this regain vice's cool?

"I don't know Jim, 2004 has been a tough year for Vice."
"Listen, Brad, the telethon and the graphs show that Vice has become only marginally cool than it was three years ago and that's not showing alot"

― a fool and money, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

'Saudi' is the new racial epithet, anyway. As in 'I'm the Saudi bitch that you wanna get with' (Peaches, Saudi Bitch).

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

electroclash. heh heh. electroclash is the new dad rock!

― momus telethon network, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

Momus she was just a little congested on the day they tracked the vocal, she's actually saying "naughty"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

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