treat their incoherent, naked xenophobia like legitimate discourse
I don't think anybody outside of the Fox News rump of the GOP is thinking this shit is "legimitate discourse." I think what is happening is that content producers are ecstatically reprinting basically everything these guys say because if you need to fill minutes and column inches, their schtick makes your job profoundly easy. "I'm a man who bites dogs. Don't believe me? I'm biting a dog later tonight. I've bitten eight dogs in the past week."
― El Tomboto, Friday, 20 November 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
legit discourse or not it still influences policy.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 November 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link
i bet that guy who wrote the cracked piece comparing trump to hitler is now going to go around saying that he was calling trump hitler before it was _cool_
― rushomancy, Friday, 20 November 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link
That 'Cruz Does Entire Princess Bride Scene' video shows that Cruz is a capable mimic, with fairly good, but not excellent timing, who was never one of the popular kids in high school. He is still falling back on borrowed material when he wants to be liked.
― Aimless, Friday, 20 November 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
i need to see him do the Black Knight scene from Monty Python, then I will vote for him.
he has to play the Black Knight.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 November 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
also no special effects
imagining Ted Cruz doing that routine in a high school cafeteria throws a number of things into relief for me. almost makes me feel bad for the guy. almost
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 20 November 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
almost as in, he makes you feel bad, just not for him.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 November 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
yeah..
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 20 November 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
good movie tho
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 20 November 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
Tombot otm on media giving these imbeciles coverage b/c clicks.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 November 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
It's a combination of clicks and just not having to work hard at all. Trump and Carson open their mouths and you need no context, no background, no explanation as to why it's worth a headline. Just print the quotes, give maybe two of the 5Ws, and then hit the bar.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 20 November 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
Sane and considered positions make for weak tea clickbait headlines.
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 November 2015 20:38 (eight years ago) link
This Muslim ID thing is just a ruse to finally getting Barack Obama to reveal his birth certificate. You know ... his real one.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 November 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
Trump is running bc if he wins then on his inauguration day he can tell Obama "You're fired!"
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 November 2015 21:08 (eight years ago) link
well that's gonna happen regardless and is probably on a hard drive somewhere already
― i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link
konczal talks bernie:
http://rooseveltinstitute.org/thoughts-bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism-and-primary/
― goole, Friday, 20 November 2015 21:50 (eight years ago) link
just a lonely guy hanging out at SFO waiting for his flight to get cleared for takeoff:http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/42/23/26/8992169/3/920x920.jpg
― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 November 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Gov-Chris-Christie-s-plane-delayed-at-SFO-to-6646856.php?cmpid=brknow
― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 November 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
bernie's big socialism speech got 100000% eclipsed by all the other news this week. poor old man.
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 20 November 2015 23:00 (eight years ago) link
he's got a couple more months of celebrity, might as well milk it
― Οὖτις, Friday, 20 November 2015 23:05 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/mCBudgP.jpg
― pplains, Saturday, 21 November 2015 23:20 (eight years ago) link
Dude is so uptight. He would look older than his dad by the time his term is over
― brimstead, Sunday, 22 November 2015 00:00 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RellDX599HY
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 22 November 2015 21:06 (eight years ago) link
@ggreenwald Trump's "Arabs-cheered" lie extra-creepy b/c anti-Semites have long told same lie about Jews to blame 9/11 on Israel
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 November 2015 04:14 (eight years ago) link
november was the month we all realized that an openly fascist demagogue was leading the polls (national and state-by-state) for the republican primary.
http://www.worldmag.com/media/images/content/face012.jpg
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 23 November 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
trump's superpac director talks about the BLM protester that got roughed up at a rally:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-super-pac-head-im-sick-and-tired-of-the-black-lives-matter-thing/
― goole, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
salon has a slightly different set of quotes from the same clip:
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/23/head_of_trump_superpac_accidentally_admits_the_donalds_rallies_are_only_for_white_people/
this one is amazing:
“Being in Birmingham, Alabama, going in and disrupting that thing, that’s no place for #BlackLivesMatter to try to bring their issues to the forefront”
i mean
― goole, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:19 (eight years ago) link
other western countries with parliamentary systems have shown a steady ~10% of the populace goes for nationalist and xenophobic parties (with a weird smattering of nonconservatives liking it too) so trump's support doesn't seem exceptional. we're right in line.
― goole, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:22 (eight years ago) link
if he actually wins Iowa man I can't imagine the panic that will ensue
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:22 (eight years ago) link
It's been a particularly horrifying Trump-centric weekend. I always thought he was a worthless dick but it's clear at this point that he's a legitimately horrendous person. He and all of his supporters can't get dragged under the wheels of a bus soon enough.
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 18:23 (eight years ago) link
gonna be sad when he sells California to the Japanese
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 November 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
if they're going to go wholesale fascist they could at least get some snappier uniforms
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDuSbHjWgAAOwlu.jpg
― goole, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
i don't really find trump amusing anymore, if i ever did. at this point if he just said "we should fry 'em all in ovens" would his poll numbers drop at all?
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 23 November 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
probably not
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:32 (eight years ago) link
he needs to be trashed creatively, toss some cream pies or shoes at him at close range
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 November 2015 18:34 (eight years ago) link
I never paid any attention to the views of reality show host Donald Trump before. Was he always this much of a racist fuck?
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
yes
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link
he's been well known as an asshole since the 80s
frankly I'm surprised no oppo-research has turned up anything criminal
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:39 (eight years ago) link
network tv execs and corporate advertisers think openly racist remarks are bad for business, so trump never got to indulge in them during his reality shows to the extent he can now that he's a presidential candidate. tv execs and corporate advertisers are poised to do some rethinking of their position if he wins in iowa and nh.
― Aimless, Monday, 23 November 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
Trump has been great for click$ though.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 November 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
at this point Aerican journalism deserves as much condemnation. Publishing his remarks has done wonders for the white right's sense of aggrievement.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 November 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
John Dean's 2006 book _Conservatives Without Conscience_ points out the work of Dr Bob Altemeyer, who studied American responses to authoritarianism. Dr Bob's take is that any time from the 20th Century on, you always get about 1 out of 4 or 5 people who'd happier walk into full-on fascism and think everything better for it. It helps to explain why Presidential approval ratings will never drop below a certain number, and even Nixon's was at like 19% the day resigned.
We've had both fascists and full -on Nazis thru the 30s & 40s as large movements.
― Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
well, sure, but i can't seem to remember a time in my life (i'm in my mid 30s) when someone this openly authoritarian was leading the polls for more than a few weeks.
my girlfriend wondered if this is how some people felt when goldwater was running. i would guess no -- although many in the GOP were terrified of goldwater (and correctly assumed he'd be trounced in the general election), he wasn't nearly so much of a demagogue as trump, no?
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/668868071524712448?lang=en
.@RealBenCarson tells me he "saw the film" of American Muslims cheering as the towers fell in New Jersey on 9/11.
― goole, Monday, 23 November 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
Ben Carson also saw the film of Washington crossing the Delaware, and he has forty eyes and a talking dog named Jellybeans. Doesn't really mean much, considering the source.
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
I would ask the Republicans, again and again: how many thousands of your potential voters do you think are going to hold their nose and pull the lever for Hillary (or sit this round out entirely) rather than support either of these two maniacs?
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
My dad was a dyed-in-the-wool republican, and I know for a fact that he could've never voted for either in good conscience. I have to imagine there are scores of people in the same position.
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
he wasn't nearly so much of a demagogue as trump, no?
I was quite young during that election, but Goldwater was much more careful in his rhetoric and far less blatant than Trump. Barry wished to come across as a statesman. He wrapped himself in the flag of patriotism and states' rights and struck a noble pose. Trump really doesn't gaf.
― Aimless, Monday, 23 November 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link
he sort of looks like j.r. "bob" dobbs, sans pipe
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link
heresy! Bob is way more chill
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:10 (eight years ago) link
well obv but the ur-suburban-robot-dad that the clipart was probably modelled on was clearly a psycho
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:12 (eight years ago) link
Cruz has perpetually sad eyes, whereas "Bob" always has a mirthful gleam
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link
he looks like he wants to kill us all
― ulysses, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:31 (eight years ago) link
Cruz has the wan visage of an exposed snapping turtle
― its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:32 (eight years ago) link
he has the wan visage of an exposed asshole
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:33 (eight years ago) link
the wan visage of an exposed snapping turtle's exposed asshole
― ulysses, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:34 (eight years ago) link
His wife said he looked like a '50s movie star when she met him. So I guess modern-day Cruz is what happens when a '50s movie star is first overinflated and then underinflated.
― Chortles And Guffaws (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link
I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link
he does not want to have a beer with you, he wants to show you his wine cellar and brick you up, cask of amontillado style
― ulysses, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link
man, rubio is a child. hillary could eat him for breakfast and still have room for brunch.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link
wait i'm on the wrong thread...
― scott seward, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link
marco reminds me of
http://www.moviesonline.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/peter-lorre-m-1.jpg
― nomar, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link
Politico with this gem:
Trump’s data shop is headed by a pair of low-profile former RNC data engineers, Matt Braynard and Witold Chrabaszcz, who are regarded as technically savvy but who do not have previous high-level campaign experience. And, while Trump’s team late last year entered into an agreement with the political data outfit L2, the campaign has paid the firm only $235,000 for “research consulting” through the end of 2015, the period covered by the most recent Federal Election Commission reports.
Trump’s reports show that his self-funded campaign has spent relatively little on voter data or outreach. They showed $200,000 in list rental payments to the conservative Newsmax Media, and $47,000 to Targeted Victory, a leading GOP digital firm, as well as $700,000 on field staff and consultants.
By contrast, the campaign has spent at least $1.2 million on hats ― presumably mostly for the now-iconic hats bearing Trump’s campaign slogan “Make America Great Again.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-iowa-caucus-loser-218604
― franklin, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link
can we lock this thread
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link
The Lonesome Ballad of Mike Huckabee and Martin O'Malley: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt. 3).
(I know there's a much better title than that.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link
There's already a new thread, linked above.
― nickn, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 19:02 (eight years ago) link
I'm realizing that I don't understand some of the basic mechanics of this system. Is there a good online resource that explains things like: exactly what a caucus is and how/why it differs from a primary, why the primaries/caucuses take place in the order that they do, how the results of these caucuses/primaries lead to the choice of the party's Presidential candidate, etc? (I gather that e.g. Clinton and Sanders won very close percentages of the vote in this caucus, with Clinton getting 22 delegates and Sanders getting 21: does this mean that at the party leadership convention, there will be 22 Iowa delegates who will vote for Clinton on the first ballot with 21 voting for Sanders? Or does Clinton get to count all of Iowa in her pocket because she got more delegates this time? etc.) It's probably high school civics class material but I don't always trust Wikipedia and I don't always find journalistic sources to be that clear.
― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 19:32 (eight years ago) link
Whoops, missed the new thread.
― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 19:33 (eight years ago) link
Nm, think I got it now.
― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 01:13 (eight years ago) link
rand paul is dropping out
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 14:04 (eight years ago) link
a good note on which to close this thread. We're here now: I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread
Mods?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 14:10 (eight years ago) link
whoops, thanks! i'm so used to ctrl+f'ing "faith" when i have urgent political news
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 February 2016 14:19 (eight years ago) link
Who can find the betting odds on Reagan's dudes working through 2020? They'll be pushing 85 by then.― service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Monday, January 25, 2016
― service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Monday, January 25, 2016
― Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Saturday, 13 February 2016 22:20 (eight years ago) link
thread still needs locking but i am happy to have scalia's death marked in every thread on the board tbh
― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 13 February 2016 22:21 (eight years ago) link