https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/668868071524712448?lang=en
.@RealBenCarson tells me he "saw the film" of American Muslims cheering as the towers fell in New Jersey on 9/11.
― goole, Monday, 23 November 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
Ben Carson also saw the film of Washington crossing the Delaware, and he has forty eyes and a talking dog named Jellybeans. Doesn't really mean much, considering the source.
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
I would ask the Republicans, again and again: how many thousands of your potential voters do you think are going to hold their nose and pull the lever for Hillary (or sit this round out entirely) rather than support either of these two maniacs?
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
My dad was a dyed-in-the-wool republican, and I know for a fact that he could've never voted for either in good conscience. I have to imagine there are scores of people in the same position.
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
he wasn't nearly so much of a demagogue as trump, no?
I was quite young during that election, but Goldwater was much more careful in his rhetoric and far less blatant than Trump. Barry wished to come across as a statesman. He wrapped himself in the flag of patriotism and states' rights and struck a noble pose. Trump really doesn't gaf.
― Aimless, Monday, 23 November 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link
so, to sum up, you're a person alive during the presidential election of 1964 and you're using the word "gaf"
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
;)
re "I wonder if Trump has plans for monetizing the atmosphere of hate he's whipped up after he fails to become president."
I'm sure he'll be happy to be interviewed saying "See? I told you so, you idiots should have elected me" every time something goes wrong.
― the minor fall, the lemon lift (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
xp When the gaf train left the station, I was barely able to grab the caboose and pulled myself aboard. I owe it all to ilxor.com.
― Aimless, Monday, 23 November 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45291_We_Found_Where_Donald_Trumps_Black_Crimes_Graphic_Came_From
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
Equal parts unsurprising and fucking wow.
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
hey it's INFORMATION, who CARES where it comes from
- 2 hrs from now
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 November 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
That little tidbit honestly can't be disseminated enough: Trump is spreading racist propaganda created by a neo-Nazi and attempting to pass it off as fact.
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link
xpost So many of the replies to Trump's tweet were all "how can numbers be racist?!". As if those turds wouldn't have balked mightily at stats that opposed their fucked up worldview
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
"Non Dildo'd Goyim" is gonna be Trump's veep
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 November 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
was hoping for uncle shavedlongcock, RIP
― droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 23 November 2015 20:13 (eight years ago) link
Watching the Sunday shows yesterday, a) I was surprised that Trump's lead was still steady around 25%, at both the state level and nationally (three months ago, almost no one thought that was going to last; I definitely didn't), but b) Rubio would be my pick right now--he's had a steady climb, and, watching him on Meet the Press, I don't think he's going to scare anyone away. Rubio and Cruz sometimes get grouped together, but I can't see that; Cruz is just too bizarre.
― clemenza, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
bizarre is the fashion of the day
― Aimless, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
I guess, putting myself in a pair of Republican shoes at the moment, that I would be hard-pressed to say who I favored among the nominees. So you have the lunatics who are excitedly throwing out Trump's and Carson's names when polled and very likely a whole host of Republicans who can't muster enthusiasm about any of the other inhabitants of the clown car for the sake of the pollsters but will probably half-heartedly back whichever non-insane candidate eventually rises above the froth.
― Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 November 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link
Trump is doing some cheap attack ads on his Instagram, which seems like a smart and slightly inconspicuous way to do them:
https://www.instagram.com/p/-bz5HWGhXZ/?taken-by=realdonaldtrump
― my harp and me (Eazy), Monday, 23 November 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
b) Rubio would be my pick right now--he's had a steady climb, and, watching him on Meet the Press, I don't think he's going to scare anyone away.
if you dig into that recent WashPo/ABC poll, Rubio was also the top "second choice" with 17%, as in, "if you couldn't vote for candidate X, who would be your next choice?". Carson and Trump were just behind him on that, though - 16% and 14%, respectively.
also interesting in that poll was a question about how much attention people are paying to the election at this point. the net (VERY interested + somewhat interested) was 75% of those polled. that may not sound like a lot, but it's higher than previous election cycles. in november '11, for example, it was 65%, in november '07 it was 67%, and in late october '03 it was 54%. there's the conventional wisdom that polling doesn't matter at this point because no one's paying attention and of course that will still hold true to a degree, but more and more people are paying attention earlier and earlier. it's somewhat surprising because you'd think an effect of the endless campaign of perpetuity and despair would end up alienating people from the process altogether, but i guess the magnetic fascism of Trumpism is enough to outweigh the nausea of the infinite campaign.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-nov-15-19-2015/1880/
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link
And the number of wingnuts who really really hate Obama.
― Retro novelty punk (Dan Peterson), Monday, 23 November 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
I missed if this was already posted, but here's Matt Taibbi following around the clown car in NH:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-clown-car-rolls-on-20151117
― Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Monday, 23 November 2015 21:09 (eight years ago) link
So let me get this straight: New Hampshire voters prefer the most destructive antiestablishment candidate in 50 years by 22 percent.
But if Mitt Romney, perhaps the most establishment candidate there could be in this race, was running, he would have 31 percent compared to what would then only be 15 percent for Trump.
I know there's likely some regional bias in these numbers, but what?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/11/21/gop-voters-would-prefer-romney/WiU9f86jd19UkXYQfb2yxM/story.html
― pplains, Monday, 23 November 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link
most destructive antiestablishment candidate
Should've said "frontrunner" instead of "candidate"
other western countries with parliamentary systems have shown a steady ~10% of the populace goes for nationalist and xenophobic parties (with a weird smattering of nonconservatives liking it too) so trump's support doesn't seem exceptional. we're right in line.
But he's polling at over 40% nationwide in head-to-head general election match-ups.
― timellison, Monday, 23 November 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
― timellison, Monday, 23 November 2015 21:34 (eight years ago) link
Seriously, fuck this country, we deserve the Chump
― brimstead, Monday, 23 November 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link
i'd be shocked if trump was the next potus. by contrast would anyone be shocked if marie le pen was the next pm of france? so we have it pretty good i think.
― Mordy, Monday, 23 November 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link
tim that's in a constrained 1on1 q vs hillary
― goole, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:02 (eight years ago) link
like, here's another tab from that same page:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_fiorina_vs_clinton-5470.html
every head to head matchup has numbers in the 40s
― goole, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:05 (eight years ago) link
yeah it broadly reflects party support rather than candidate support
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:06 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, exactly! I thought in the post I quoted that you were comparing him to European far-right party popularity based on the idea that his 25-30% or whatever it is nationwide in the primary field amounts to something like 10% of support nationwide. But I think the head-to-head match-ups are more troubling!
― timellison, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
Yes to Shakey but nevertheless over 40% of the people surveyed in every one of the polls said they would actually vote for him specifically.
― timellison, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:11 (eight years ago) link
I think you're misreading that
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
I mean you're right in that if the question was phrased "who would you vote for, Hillary or Trump", 40% said Trump but that does not mean that those people would vote for Trump under any circumstances
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
your first sentence is exactly what i meant, yeah. but no i think the h2h matchups are not that illustrative of anything because they're all about the same no matter which candidate you're talking about!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sanders_vs._republicans.html
― goole, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
No repub is going to be elected president in 2016. I'll bet one person on here $10
― brimstead, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:15 (eight years ago) link
i think that's a safe bet but tbh who knows what could happen. a major terrorist attack in the US coupled with another economic downturn could put prez donald in the white house
― Mordy, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link
nah
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:18 (eight years ago) link
Just caught up with Trump's crime statistics now (it's hard to keep track of Trump stuff--I thought all the commentary above had to do with his Paris-related pronouncements). Same reaction as Old Lunch--or as Robert Downey says in Zodiac, "Jesus Harold Christ on rubber crutches."
― clemenza, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link
Trump definitely has the thoughtful, measured temperament to respond appropriately to a terrorist attack, that I am sure of.
― brimstead, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link
Meanwhile here's the thoughtful, measured temperament:
Hillary Clinton favors an activist American foreign policy, and Rubio mentioned to me that he was rereading “The Last Lion,” by William Manchester. He said, “It’s this book about Churchill. It’s really long. Only because I’m just so fascinated by the leadership he provided.” He went on, “Churchill was a guy who was largely ignored through much of the thirties as a warmonger, and a guy that was crying wolf, and Chamberlain was this heroic figure that was going to achieve peace in our time by diplomacy. And I think, in many cases, we’re kind of at a similar moment, where many of us, including myself, are warning about dangers that are percolating around the world and what they could turn into [bold mine-DL]. Whether it’s Iran, Russia, China, North Korea, or radical Islam.”
I love the excited way in which he discovers conventional wisdom.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 November 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link
that's pretty lol. "ooooh that's why we've been calling the president an appeaser"
― Mordy, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link
No repub is going to be elected president in 2016.
Not likely; entirely possible.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 November 2015 22:36 (eight years ago) link
one more interesting thing about that poll:
http://i.imgur.com/wDFBES4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/S551VHr.jpg
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:36 (eight years ago) link
"There's a part of me that wishes Trump were more outrageous and entertaining, but I'm supporting him anyway because I think he has a really good chance to win next November."
― clemenza, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/jameshupp/status/668924133581963264
omg
― j., Monday, 23 November 2015 22:50 (eight years ago) link
hahahahaaaa
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 22:50 (eight years ago) link
many such teachings
― j., Monday, 23 November 2015 22:52 (eight years ago) link