Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

i think it's dumb how everyone always hopes these shooters are ideologically opposed to them, or feels the need to twist things around if it turns out that the shooters are "aligned" with them in some way. the planned parenthood guy wasn't an agent of the republican party (odious as they are), and this guy isn't an agent of the black lives matter movement. they might be motivated by "fiery rhetoric" from this source or that but they could pick that up anywhere imo, it's not the source of the problem

Because as we all know, if there's one thing that never happens to minorities in this country, it's having the actions of a deranged individual credited with being an intrinsic part of their character, increasing the baseline level of harassment that defines living in this country to levels that drastically impact your ability to just live your life. There is absolutely no rational reason why any minority group would say anything like "Given what I'm already going through, I really hope this heinous individual doesn't look like me because that's going to make others think I want to do the same thing for absolutely no fucking reason." That never happens.

I realize that you will think that this sarcastic response reinforces your point. It doesn't. You can't assume everyone is being treated equally shitty or that the blowback for white people when a white guy shoots up Planned Parenthood or a movie theater even approaches the blowback against black people when someone threatens to shoot up campus or a dude shoots two of his coworkers on a live news broadcast, even in how the events are presented in the news. Some distancing is done because people don't want to face ugly parts of their own character; other distancing is done because that is how you survive living in this country. It's complete and utter horseshit and actively harmful to equate the two, in my opinion.

yeah, i didn't think of that. it makes sense for people to hope they won't get "blamed", personally, in some sense, for a thing like this. totally. and that is especially true if you are part of a targeted minority group.

i was trying to say that it doesn't make sense to draw too close a connection between these shooters and the people or movements in whose name they claim to act. like, whoever this guy was, and whatever he said, it has nothing to do with the mainstream black lives matter movement. i know right wingers will try to make that connection but that's because they are disingenuous.

i just think the violent actions of deranged people need to be seen as separate from whatever political conflicts are playing out in the larger society. these events are often enlisted in the propaganda of one group or another and i think that's a mistake

the only discussions to have are really just ones about prevention. how to keep guns from dangerous people. how to get help for people who are at risk of becoming dangerous. etc

FWIW, it sounds like the dude, who reportedly deleted his post right after he made it, also had no guns or other weapons with which to make good on his threats. Sounds so far like he made a really, really bad mistake. Thank goodness if that's all it was.

I don't think incendiary rhetoric should be totally let off the hook.

That being said there is a p big difference between, say, some of the rhetorical excesses of BLM and the outright lies and shenanigans of the Center for Medical Progress.

the latter much more successful at getting its issues addressed, obviously

oh yeah, i don't think they are comparable in any way, really. i just don't like the sloppy way these things can get folded into the discourse

ongoing: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

reports of up to 40 dead

wtf hell

jesus

i don't know if the up to 40 is verified - i only saw it on twitter. reuters is saying 20.

sorry i should know better than announcing "breaking news" as though it's a fact in this kind of story.

can we go a week or even a day without one of these, that would be cool

Is that rhetorical? Because apparently the answer is no. Is that the definition of an epidemic?

wasn't Obama considering signing an executive order of some kind re gun purchases? Let's get the over/under on how many more shootings it'll take.

there's definitely an epidemic, it's insane neither political party really has a plan to address it

gun nuts vote too

Sgt. Vicki Cervantes, a spokeswoman for the San Bernardino Police Department, told reporters at the scene up to three shooters were reported inside the Inland Regional Center. Officers have not secured the building and going door-to-door.

The suspects, she said, are heavily armed and were possibly wearing body armor.

Obama keeps saying "we can't go on like this" every time there's another shooting, so twice a week? Not sure when he feels like doing anything about it.

inland regional center appears to be a non-profit "Serving individuals with developmental disabilities in Riverside and San Bernardino counties"

IF ONLY THESE DEVELOPMENTALLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE HAD GUNS THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN

there's definitely an epidemic, it's insane neither political party really has a plan to address it

why should democrats do anything? their main presidential candidate is an arms dealer. this is symptomatic of a sick society.

the united states as a country is literally an arms dealer to the entire world. this is what we do.

IF ONLY THESE DEVELOPMENTALLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE HAD GUNS THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN

― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, December 2, 2015 2:51 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Didn't Rick Santorum actually get his developmentally disabled child an NRA membership, or something to that effect?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPpKb7WwAA4ghD.jpg:large

that doesn't include the PP shooting or the last few days

I used to work with people with developmental disabilities, for years it was my grind -- including a facility in Ontario, CA - San Bernardino is about half an hour further east. I don't usually burst into tears when I hear about a spree shooting but I have spent a lot of time in facilities like this one. The people who live there and the people who work there, they work so hard: the residents just to get by, the workers just to make life a little better for people who're up against some long odds.

I can't take this one, I feel a panic inside about the fear the residents must be going through.

I can't stand this.

oh jclc, <3

I think a mass shooter would have to go to the e! network and murder the whole kardashian family and like ryan seacrest for popular opinion to shift enough to get shit done

let's start a gofundme for that one

ffs it was only a few years ago that 20 kids were killed at an elementary school !!

I still think back to sandy hook, and the fact that even a few dozen tiny kids and teachers getting shot and killed is not enough to initiate a change means that it will probably never come

xpost I mean, I'm sitting here thinking, "This is the one that we'll be unable to overlook, this one will bring some change." But...Sandy Hook. It just all feels so hopeless.

Someone needs to spell it out in language that these republican pieces of shit will understand: people are going to become increasingly afraid to go out and spend money the longer this goes on. There will be an appreciable economic cost to your continuted kowtowing to the NRA.

UNC-Chapel Hill went on lockdown this morning:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/north-carolina-chapel-hill-security-incident/

Oh and while I was scrolling thru that post, lookee what also popped up:

http://i.imgur.com/IyVBQHn.jpg

"May you live in like some really fun times" I think that curse went.

Rick Serrano ‏@RickSerranoLAT 18m18 minutes ago
Calif mass shooting: Police searching for SUV seen leaving scene; 3 suspected shooters apparently vanished from health center

oh fuck.

What the fuck?

why the fuck would...idk

ugh at humans basically

Someone needs to spell it out in language that these republican pieces of shit will understand: people are going to become increasingly afraid to go out and spend money the longer this goes on. There will be an appreciable economic cost to your continuted kowtowing to the NRA.

ppl can get used to all kinds of things. in israel there have been stabbings for months now and ppl are going about their lives. i am totally w/ you re the sentiment of how do we get through to these fuckers but i don't think this argument is a winner.

acc to CBS there's a bomb squad on the scene: https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/672143708335292417

I was gonna argue maybe it would take like 30 congressmen getting shot but maybe the public would love that shit and want more of it.

Yeah, we had a congresswoman shot in the fucking head 4 years ago and it didn't do shit

Insanely we've already had Congressmen get shot. And that go no traction. So elected officials, children, school kids, servicemen, hundreds of innocents ... nada.

xpost

thats why I say we need ~30. including a couple who went down shooting with their concealed weapons.

You mean as heroes? Imagine how bad it would have been if they didn't have those weapons!

Does anyone doubt that a serious prez candidate announcing a strong anti-gun platform would be shot within weeks?

we will never be able to move forward until every single person who believes that upstanding citizens with concealed weapons would save the day have the chance to be in an active shooting situation and try to save everyone and fail. at this rate that should happen in another 20 or 25 years