Those of you in open primary states: please vote for Trump.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
am i sposed to know who that woman is?
I'll give you a hint, it's a woman whose famous for riding a bus and whose birthday happens to be today
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link
okay hahahahahahahahahahaha Morbs was talking about Goole's Twitter link hahahahahahahahaha
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link
I kind of can't imagine GOP leadership/moneybags are so weak and toothless that they'd let Trump get the nom but yeah
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:46 (eight years ago) link
we're getting to a point where it's really not impossible that trump wins the nomination
which is just kinda insane
― iatee, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:51 (eight years ago) link
I'm not sure what's 'better for america', that happening and this kinda being like the french 2002 election or rubio or cruz winning and having an actual shot at becoming president. I guess #2 is scarier but less embarrassing?
― iatee, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
the cowardice in the GOP is remarkable, the totality of the self-serving shortsightedness
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
it's not just cowardice, they don't have any good angle to attack trump from
― iatee, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link
haha oh sure they do
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:57 (eight years ago) link
he's not some unbeatable figure, the guy is an idiot that gets by on going unchallenged
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:58 (eight years ago) link
that they can't bribe a proxy to attack him is the crazy part. I'm not saying Rience Priebus would be an effective vehicle for delivering an anti-Trump message, but you'd think one of these bajillionaire backers would be able to buy a candidate to serve as a front for GOP leadership attacks. This is cloak and dagger ratfucking stuff, sure, but the GOP used to be good at that shit!
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:59 (eight years ago) link
'challenging him' just feeds the persecution complex that the reactionary white nationalist subculture is built on
― iatee, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:00 (eight years ago) link
what's the alternative
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:03 (eight years ago) link
Voting for him in primaries.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:04 (eight years ago) link
I mean it depends on who's doing the challenging - if its someone who's an even bigger asshole, but (crucially) one who can be brought to heel when necessary, then problem solved. Trump can't be brought to heel, which is the problem.
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:04 (eight years ago) link
where exactly are they gonna find a bigger asshole than donald trump?
― iatee, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:05 (eight years ago) link
sometimes I wonder why trump wont go away, but literally every single time I go to the lunch counter in my building they have cnn on and that idiots fat face is on the screen
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:05 (eight years ago) link
Cruz fits the bill. Christie too, if he didn't already have the obama-hug-taint
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:07 (eight years ago) link
idk I'm just spitballing it's just weird to see all these powerful interests totally cowed and unwilling to invest/pick a side
they did invest and pick a side, that ship sunk
― iatee, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:37 (eight years ago) link
http://www.loriferber.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/u/s/uss-ronald-reagan-plaque.jpg
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:44 (eight years ago) link
then pick another side!
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:50 (eight years ago) link
that anybody thought JEB! had any legs is also nuts, of course
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link
Clip of Trump on CNN a minute ago (referring to Cruz, I assume): "If somebody hits me, I'm gonna hit him back so hard..." Made me think of Goodfellas: "If anyone complained twice, they got hit so bad, believe me, they never complained again." Cruz is going to turn up in a car trunk one of these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpmtMyr6orE
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
don't they already know that throwing money behind a losing candidate isn't effective, though? like, wouldn't they be looking seriously at romney's losses and, free of the must-be-insanely-conservative-to-win fixation, thinking that they can't even actually field anyone as 'presidential' right now?
― j., Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
the question is who 'they' are, like how large is the non-crazy part of the republican party at this point?
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 00:08 (eight years ago) link
small but v v rich.
it's not just throwing money behind a candidate, it's financing attack ads etc.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 00:09 (eight years ago) link
the lines get blurry when ted cruz supporters start to qualify as reasonable people
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link
the thing about the guy is, he's a genius of stupid. i have decades of experience in and with severe mental illness, and i still routinely find my jaw dropping at the batshit crazy things he says. he's a walking issue of the "weekly world news".
― rushomancy, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 00:11 (eight years ago) link
vox linked to a couple of article on that subject: http://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9830556/donald-trump-koch-brothers
Part of it is being afraid of Trumps bullying. Part of it is considering Cruz as the one who would benefit from attacks on Trump, and fearing a surging Cruz more.
So there are strategic reasons for not attacking Trump, though I think they sound spurious. But what's crazy to me is that nobody in the party has the backbone to speak up and say 'this is simply wrong' to all the hateful bullshit he is spewing. Liz Mair, who is working to gather money for an anti-Trump campaign, is constantly basing the criticism on the fact that Trump used to be more liberal, has liked the Clinton's, etc. The attack is that he's too moderate, which seems insane, but that's the GOP atm.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:07 (eight years ago) link
If the megadonors have realized the chances of funding a GOP candidate into a general election victory are all but impossible, then they should mostly be interested in ensuring their downticket investments aren't spoiled by a presidential nominee who drives blue participation up and red participation down. There are no clear options right now.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:28 (eight years ago) link
The piece that amateurist posted about Trumpists being the UKIP / National Front equivalent is pretty interesting
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link
You guys still think Trump is in this to actually be President? C'mon
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:33 (eight years ago) link
i do - he seems more megalomaniac than cynical tbh
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:41 (eight years ago) link
tho some small part of me does believe he's a hillary mole
Another Republican strategist in Ohio replied to an email asking about Mr. Trump’s effect in the state by sending a link to a Wikipedia page on the 1964 congressional elections, when Barry Goldwater’s presence atop the Republican ticket led the party to lose 36 House seats.
this is amazing
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:42 (eight years ago) link
Ding ding ding, Mordy!
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:48 (eight years ago) link
let me just say this:
http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/65/6553/UNT4100Z/posters/the-x-files-i-want-to-believe-print.jpg
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:54 (eight years ago) link
'Peace Thru Strength' was a genuine DoD slogan in 1963 or earlier and NOT invented for Dr Strangelove, correct?
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 03:20 (eight years ago) link
age-old idiom
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 03:21 (eight years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_vis_pacem,_para_bellum
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 03:22 (eight years ago) link
i was probably thinking of Peace Is Our Profession
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 03:30 (eight years ago) link
thoughts on http://theweek.com/articles/583243/what-hillary-gets-right-about-glasssteagall ?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 03:31 (eight years ago) link
My impression is it's a complicated subject where reasonable, well-intentioned, reform-minded people will disagree. I don't get the impression Glass-Steagall is critical to a sane and thorough reform of the financial services industry.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 03:59 (eight years ago) link
my understanding is most engaged ppl want legislation with a Glass-Steagall EFFECT, not nec its literal restoration.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 04:09 (eight years ago) link
I tend to agree with Ben Bernanke's take as expressed here:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/ben-bernanke-puzzled-by-democrats-glass-steagall-214996
I think there are smarter, more targeted ways to make Wall Street safer.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 04:17 (eight years ago) link
The mere fact of the FDIC should preclude allowing commercial banks to engage in investment banking, which is far less regulated and much riskier.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 04:19 (eight years ago) link
I think Dodd Frank has shown that it's possible to constrain investment banking in ways that make it less risky and compatible with taking federally insured deposits, for instance through the Volcker Rule and heightened capital requirements. As we saw in the last crisis, there is enormous pressure to bail out any bank of sufficient size, even if it has no federally-insured deposits (as for example Bear Stearns, AIG or Lehman). So to say "Those banks can go off and do risky stuff because they don't have insured deposits" clearly is a non-starter. Once you realize that all banks of a certain size need to be tightly regulated, then the focus on Glass Steagall seems a bit beside the point.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 04:30 (eight years ago) link
"iateePosted: December 1, 2015 at 5:37:17 PMthey did invest and pick a side, that ship sunk"
God knows we have had our differences but this is so fucking OTM it hurts.
Also, the result is hilarious. Not in a Donald racist trump is hilarious way, but in a watch the cockroaches scurry when they bring raid into their own house sort of way.
― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 04:48 (eight years ago) link