Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

we will never be able to move forward until every single person who believes that upstanding citizens with concealed weapons would save the day have the chance to be in an active shooting situation and try to save everyone and fail. at this rate that should happen in another 20 or 25 years

If we make it that long.

law enforcement is going to guard schools and hospitals and PP clinics etc around san bernardino since those guys are i guess still out there

i hate that i have a mental bingo card for mass shootings at this point but something about this seems weird --- three grown-ass men (not teens) working together (not loners) to target a place/group of people that's politically/ideologically innocuous and then leaving the scene instead of dying in a shoot-out/killing themselves (not desperate/hopeless/suicidal)? it almost seems like a hit

my gut says organized terrorism but i guess we'll see

xp we don't know that the Inland Regional Center was the target at this stage iirc.

I agree, if there is definitely more than one attacker. (xp)

Live updates.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html

There's a terrible "waiting for the other shoe to drop" now, unless it was somehow a specific hit and they wanted to get away, almost Cartel-like.

feel like every mass shooting has had early rumors about 2-3 killers and it usually ends up as one, but this info does seem a little more specific maybe?

idk a "hit" just sounds not plausible

xp we don't know that the Inland Regional Center was the target at this stage iirc.

― Karl Rove Knausgård (jim in glasgow)

or yes we do, shut up, jim

PP clinic says they are safe

There's a terrible "waiting for the other shoe to drop" now, unless it was somehow a specific hit and they wanted to get away, almost Cartel-like.

― my harp and me (Eazy), Wednesday, December 2, 2015 3:11 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'll admit that my first thought was of the cartels, though that does seem not plausible

they walked straight into the building and started shooting at what was either a meeting or a party, apparently. my first reaction was to think it was a (extremely disturbed) disgruntled ex-employee or ex-resident, but multiple shooters, with military gear? wtf

feel like every mass shooting has had early rumors about 2-3 killers and it usually ends up as one, but this info does seem a little more specific maybe?

My thoughts exactly.

James Holmes also wore body armour.

and "military grade" firepower can be purchased at the local gun shop, no problem

they walked straight into the building and started shooting at what was either a meeting or a party, apparently. my first reaction was to think it was a (extremely disturbed) disgruntled ex-employee or ex-resident, but multiple shooters, with military gear? wtf

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, December 2, 2015 4:14 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah my first thought was ex-employee too but idk. :(

KTLA just reported that they found an abandoned black SUV in the San Bernardino area

i don't see newtown as any more of a "failure" for gun control than prop 8 was for the gay rights movement, myself.

In other news:

http://abc13.com/news/hpd-homicide-one-dead-in-shooting-outside-medical-clinic-in-sw-houston/1107084/

L.A. Times:

Reports indicate the shooting occurred inside a conference room rented by an outside group for a Christmas party.

??

not sure how you guys can follow the play-by-play on this shit every day

This shit is as normal as the stock market ticker

• Four adults have been transported to Loma Linda University Medical Center, and the hospital is expecting three more patients, hospital spokeswoman Briana Pastorino said. She did not describe the nature of the patients' wounds. Arrowhead Regional Medical Center has received eight patients, an employee who didn't want to be named told CNN.

• The three suspects are believed to be armed with AK-47-type weapons, a local law enforcement official told CNN.

• The bomb squad found a suspicious package on the second floor of a building and determined it is "not normal," the source said. They are going to handle it with a robot, the source added.

"not normal"

They are going to handle it with a robot

robots = not normal

okay so the package is "not normal". misread that as the force saying a suspicious package accompanying a mass shooting is "not normal"

xp

right-wing twitter, supposedly quoting police scanner, has name of person of interest: Farook Syed

https://twitter.com/rickserranolat/status/672167170361675777

Suggestions now that the group who rented the conf room may have been targeted, not the organization

nothing firm yet though

Disgruntled employee? http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2013/san-bernardino-county/farook-syed-r/

xpost sounds like survivors told police that someone of that name left the meeting 20 minutes before shooting

SB police chief reporting that at least 14 dead and 14 wounded

people should just not throw out numbers this quickly

i literally just heard the police chief say that himself, so if the number's wrong it won't be due to a too-eager media

the media was running with 3 killed for an hour--seems like that wasn't even close so it had no value whatsoever

i agree that hotly reported numbers are bad but, like, this was the number reported by the primary source for the numbers

Live scanner feed...

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

also the NY Times xp

Sigh

This is so fucking awful. Starting to hate people, what makes someone do this?

Hating people?

+ guns

ok i'm more gun control but guns didn't make them do it, it just gave them an opportunity. it's not like guns were whispering to them son of sam style

i'm in favor of* more

deems otm

why don't these people just stay home and watch streaming video like everyone else

am i missing something or is the NYT really bad at its job

http://i63.tinypic.com/2zgwzu0.png

it's terrorism in the otherthinking sense, ie American-born