Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

The 'cause' matters because the possible people behind it matter.

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what a time to live

So numb to this. Considering I could literally move anywhere and still have my job cos im virtual...it's getting tempting.

Hey Hammer come to Cambodia it's complete anarchy but somehow works.

Anyone with the viable option not to live in the states that's still there is a lil nuts imo

love it or leave it imo

http://i.imgur.com/Szq40wp.jpg

it would be kind of rude of me to stink up another country at this late date. i'm from here for better or worse.

after 9/11 and all that war fever i did take some comfort in the fact that maria had dual dutch/american citizenship at the time. but i can't smoke that much hash.

i think things would have to become a lot worse b4 i pulled the string on my exit parachute. at this point it would be like frying pan to the fire.

and to be fair, it has ALWAYS been pretty fucked up here. not for everyone, but its a pretty steady history of bloodshed. it's kind of a part of what this country is. millions killed here and abroad. in the name of uh the freedom to do stuff.

if i can figure out the professional licensure side of things i could very easily pull the chute --- half my relations are overseas anyhow

I'm all talk. If I haven't managed to leave FL for 35 years...

But London was nice when I visited 18 years ago

I still love the place where I was born and have lived about 97% of my life. Enough of the other people who live here are good natured and kind that I can stand the remaining assholes. Not gonna let a few spree killers chase me away.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471

Lemme know when that's a story in any paper other than that one

And no, the daily beast doesn't count

Ok it's drifting out into other news sources as a possibility with some corroboration, but still I want full confirmation before this shit gets out into the world

Ugh here they come

Well a 28 year old citizens of Qatar is one of the Terrorists who killed 14 in #SanBernadino
Not Climate Change @POTUS Radical Islam

he's a US citizen.

gun was legally purchased

ben carson says it's a 'hate crime', giving more credence to my theory that he doesn't know what words actually mean.

great ... it just HAD to be a middle eastern

http://rushthecourt.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Head-hands.jpg

thats ok it is only half time still two more quarters to go

ben carson says it's a 'hate crime', giving more credence to my theory that he doesn't know what words actually mean.

― akm, Wednesday, December 2, 2015 11:39 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, did you not read the entire quote? He explains himself very succinctly:

When asked by ABC News to clarify what exactly he means by "hate crime" in this instance, Carson said, “Well it’s hard to imagine that you would shoot a bunch of people and not hate them, right? You don’t do that to people you love.”

...

You know, he's right!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/09/bb/2f/09bb2f9090f20c8c13a45ffb8424137b.jpg

Anyone with the viable option not to live in the states that's still there is a lil nuts imo

baseball

deems not otm

ah Morbs baseball's pretty terrible now though

sez you

Before the attack, Mr. Farook, 28, who was born in Illinois and whose parents are from Pakistan, joined colleagues at an annual holiday party for the San Bernardino County Public Health Department, where he worked for five years as an environmental inspector, officials said. He had attended the same party the year before, and he did not appear out of place.

Soon, however, he stormed out in anger. The nature of the dispute was not clear, but when he returned with his wife, 27, both of them were dressed in tactical gear and carrying assault rifles, officials said. That level of preparation is among the factors investigators are weighing as they examine a motive for the attack.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting-syed-rizwan-farook.html

It's a weird one, this one.

gun was legally purchased

― akm, Thursday, December 3, 2015 5:38 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

California has the strictest gun control laws in the country. And they're still not nearly strict enough.

so a guy shot 4 people in Savannah yesterday

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/02/the-other-mass-shooting-that-happened-today-in-the-united-states/

hmm:

Ted Alcorn, the research director for Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit organization that advocates gun control, said the shootings with multiple victims were a tiny subset of everyday gun violence in America. “You have 14 people dead in California, and that’s a horrible tragedy,” he said. “But likely 88 other people died today from gun violence in the United States.”

In studying shootings that left four or more dead from 2009 to mid-2015, his organization found certain patterns. In only 11 percent of cases did medical, school or legal authorities note signs of mental illness in the gunmen before the attack, the organization said. Domestic violence figured strongly: In 57 percent of the cases, the victims included a current or former intimate partner or family member of the attacker. Half of all victims were women.

More than two-thirds of the shootings took place in private residences; about 28 percent occurred in public spaces, the study found.

More than 60 percent of the attackers were not prohibited from possessing guns because of prior felonies or other reasons. But the organization still found there was less likelihood of mass killings in states that require background checks for all handgun sales than in states that do not — and even less chance of shootings by people who were prohibited by law from possessing firearms.

In a recent report, the Congressional Research Service found a slight uptick in recent years in shootings in which four or more victims died. The report found an average of 22.4 mass shootings a year from 2009 to 2013, compared with 20.2 shootings a year during the previous five years.

But James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University, said his research showed the number of such shootings has roughly held steady in recent decades.

He said that if analysts added a single year, 2014, and looked at four-year intervals instead of five-year intervals, the average number of annual mass shootings actually declined slightly from 2011 to 2014, compared with the previous four-year period.

“It’s a matter of how you slice it,” said Professor Fox, who nonetheless praised the research service’s report.

Reisinger said she heard that the office recently threw a baby shower for Farook and that he had taken paternity leave.

I find this detail additionally heartbreaking

The nature of the dispute was not clear

Kinda the piece of the jigsaw that's needed, and shouldn't be difficult to obtain from his colleagues?

https://nomadtravels.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/shootfirst.jpg

I'll go out on a limb and assume that there's no explanation for this that a sane and rational mind will be able to grasp.

Scalia's interpretation of the Constitution's 2nd Amendment allows anyone to buy 223-caliber assault-style rifles, semiautomatic handguns and explosive devices

Terrible

xpost to Alfred's NYTimes link: This reminds me of the experience I had earlier this year, when I was reading Charles Reznikoff's Testimony, a sort of low-mimetic long poem of everyday violence in late-19th/early-20th century America, culled from thousands of pages of legal documents. So many arguments over card games or perceived insults that AT MOST should have resulted in a scuffle, instead escalating into gun slayings... not just in the "wild west" but everywhere you look. I don't know what it is about this country -- I'm sure some people are still charmed by the old myths that prop up this kind of 'honor culture', but I (thankfully) feel more distant from it with each passing year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/02/the-simple-reason-why-the-shootings-wont-stop/?tid=sm_fb

So many arguments over card games or perceived insults that AT MOST should have resulted in a scuffle, instead escalating into gun slayings...I don't know what it is about this country

one factor that escalates a scuffle into a gun slaying is the presence of guns

I don't remember where I saw it, but I read that an average of two guns per second were being sold on black friday.

I was thinking seriously about moving to Canada about five years back. I'm starting to think seriously about it again.

xp ehhhh I'll believe that when you can show me a peer-reviewed scientific study on the subject ;)

do they want you? xp

sure. bonus points if he's Syrian or willing to live in Nunavut.

xpost to Alfred's NYTimes link: This reminds me of the experience I had earlier this year, when I was reading Charles Reznikoff's Testimony, a sort of low-mimetic long poem of everyday violence in late-19th/early-20th century America, culled from thousands of pages of legal documents. So many arguments over card games or perceived insults that AT MOST should have resulted in a scuffle, instead escalating into gun slayings... not just in the "wild west" but everywhere you look. I don't know what it is about this country -- I'm sure some people are still charmed by the old myths that prop up this kind of 'honor culture', but I (thankfully) feel more distant from it with each passing year.

― bernard snowy, Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:48 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this sounds like a great thing. Reznikoff is a mensch of the highest order