Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

This again (which apparently strikes Republicans as wise and correct and helpful)...Not sure why the NY Times editorial board is surprised

From Jeb Bush, a bizarre slam: “The brutal savagery of Islamic terrorism exists, and this president and his former secretary of state cannot call it for what it is.”

And Donald Trump, true to his birther views, insinuated that Mr. Obama was hiding something: “Radical Islamic terrorism. We have a president that refuses to use the term. He refuses to say it. There’s something going on with him that we don’t know about.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/opinion/tough-talk-and-a-cowardly-vote-on-terrorism.html?_r=0

hillary, sanders + o'malley also refuse to say it so i guess the entire party has been invaded by secret muslims. otoh obama did use to say it in 2008: "But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with Ameirca; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam."

xp Below 5% but still in fifth place!

let's figure out the reaction if Robert Dear gets called a radical Christian

god forbid we refer to the pp shooting as radical christianity that'll alienate a bunch of christian youth to defect to the westboro church

Meanwhile Trump at the Jewish Republican gathering in DC yesterday managed to offend folks whose support he wants

http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-courts-jewish-republicans-with-offensive-stereotypes/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202

“I’m a negotiator like you folks were negotiators,” the controversial candidate declared to his audience at the Republican Jewish Coalition, as he explained that he would broker a stronger nuclear deal with Iran than the one concluded earlier this year. At another point in his speech, he said: “Is there anyone in this room who doesn’t negotiate deals? Probably more than any room I’ve ever spoken...
, “And I know why you’re not going to support me. You’re not going to support me because I don’t want your money. Isn’t it crazy?”

that wasn't the worst thing for his support among jewish republicans. this was:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4734724,00.html

xp wooooow what a tone deaf asshole

BJ has a nice collection of RJC coverage highlights

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/12/04/open-thread-the-latest-gop-clown-car-cattle-call-rjc-dc/

xpost 'Tone deaf' doesn't seem quite right, as it suggests that he might actually give a fuck that he was insulting people. And also assumes that he's actually unaware of having given offense, which I'm inclined to think isn't entirely true.

the hillary mole theory feels righter every day

If that theory is true, the fact that he's leading the GOP pack is even more hysterical.

I just figured out Trump reminds me of professional wrestler/manager Bobby Heenan:

http://percypringle.com/Hall-of-Fame/Photos/BobbyHeenanHOF.jpg

waiting for trump to refer to journos as 'pencil necked geeks'

http://observer.com/2015/12/shock-poll-bernie-sanders-is-the-most-electable-candidate-in-either-party/

Carson had me searching for the Star of David on the back of a $1 bill. I didn't see one, but I did see ... a pyramid. And we know how he feels about those things.

Open your eyes, sheeple.

http://i.imgur.com/O0tTl5p.jpg

Um. Hope everyone can see that okay.

A CNN poll out today (but taken before California) gives Trump his biggest lead yet:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/donald-trump-poll-cnn-orc-national/

Nate Silver keeps arguing that these polls are meaningless, and he's pretty much always right about this stuff. He does allow that it's possible Trump could win--I think he puts him at 5% or something.

Carson seein' stars ...

I don't think nate silver knows anything that anyone else doesn't this time around, we're kinda in unknown territory. there are a lot of vested interests in trump not winning the nom, yet he's more popular than ever and it's hard to see exactly where his fans would/will break with him.

the only gaffes trump can make are 'I love Obama' and 'I'm not rich'.

how about 'I'm taking my ball and going home'

The one thing I basically trust Silver on though is "Don't believe the hype, the press need headlines every day but it doesn't mean the polls mean anything more than they actually mean." Not the most devastating insight in the world, but useful. As noted above though I really wish he'd quit ESPN in a rage and start up his own private blog again, was sooooooo much better like that.

i enjoy the little roundtables but i do think he would have worked better as just another grantland writer, maybe you give him his own little mini-fiefdom inside it and occasionally you let him and goldsberry or him and barnwell have some nerdout numbers session. i did chuckle when he said recently that polls don't tell us a lot right now but they do tell us more about the voters than any column written by someone in georgetown or manhattan. dude's hatred of political punditry is deep (and justified).

there was something in politico about some of the jeb! loyalist superpacs possibly just trying to wipe out the rest of the field minus trump (ie cruz and rubio) w/ heavy negative ad buys so that the party would be 'forced' to opt for jeb. plz plz plz.

An analysis of 95,000 words that Donald Trump said in public in the past week reveals powerful patterns in his speech which, historians say, echo the appeals of demagogues of the past century.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/politics/95000-words-many-of-them-ominous-from-donald-trumps-tongue.html

(Mr. Trump declined a request to be interviewed for this article.)

he had to meet some "guy"

sorry if this has already been shared here (and h/t to D-40):

http://www.theawl.com/2015/12/access-denied

That is one real bad chunk of writing. Good point, but can you try and make it only once, with a little clarity? Jesus.

Lol otm, I didn't make it very far

getting pretty nixony

http://i.imgur.com/ob9NBMG.jpg

Ma'am, it's not a silent majority if (a) y'all don't have a majority and (b) y'all won't shut the entire fuck up

http://a1.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_154,w_300/bx7ed5t986xjrqvmrg7r.jpg

What happened to his eyes? Only four fingers on each hand? Clearly a reptoid!

https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2015/12/trum3-500x333.jpg

Here's hoping pt 3 of this thread will be titled Nippled America

This is so imcomprehensible, from http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/28/what-will-it-take-to-stop-donald-trump

“I like the way he speaks,” said Sandra Murray of Dubuque, Iowa. “He speaks the truth, he speaks what people need to hear. He may be a little bold but you can’t sugar-coat things anymore. This country is a huge mess and we need to get out of this and honestly he could be the man to do it.”

What part of this country is a huge mess? Other than growing economic inequality and police departments repeatedly proving they can't be trusted, what is a huge mess? What is she thinking of? The mind boggles.

Also, looking at the photos in that story reminded me of everything I hated about growing up in the south and how I am so happy now that I'm safely ensconced away from it. The last time I had that feeling of being around a herd of hateful, self-identified "Christian" white people was when I wound up at Union Station during the 2nd Bush inauguration. Vomit.

“Oh, I wish I had big nuts like him,” said Dino Rossi of Newton, Massachusetts.

The cable news networks escalate into a crisis every story that isn't about fluffy bunnies or adorable children, for the same reasons that television weather forecasters hype every winter storm as a potential catastrophe and fire-and-brimstone preachers tell you your sins are blacker than Satan's heart and if you don't hurl yourself before the seat of mercy God will cast you into the deepest pit of hell. Anyone who watched a steady diet of that bumpf might think that the USA is teetering on the very brink of the apocalypse.

"Telling it like it is" is just dog whistle for "being an irascible xenophobic pick like good men used to be"

Lots of words in that tune.

Clinton also focused on the need to combat the Islamic State on the Internet, pushing for help from the private sector to push back against the group’s robust propaganda machine. “We’re going to need help from Facebook and from YouTube and from Twitter,” she said.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-isil-terror-obama-216466

Xxxpost *prick

What part of this country is a huge mess? Other than growing economic inequality and police departments repeatedly proving they can't be trusted, what is a huge mess? What is she thinking of? The mind boggles.

I don't think that's really fair. Lots of our state pension systems are catastrophically underfunded, and that is a huge mess. And there's a massive painkiller addiction problem concentrated in the places where Trump voters live and ILXers don't.

I think he's pointing out her use of typically dispensed vagueries

The young woman holding the "The Silent Majority stands with Trump" sign looks exactly like Chelsea Clinton #hillarymole #justsayin

i still think Hillary is Nixon and Trump is like Wallace with money

https://jeffpelline.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/3372-wallace-flyer-1.jpg

morbs otm

What part of this country is a huge mess?

Have you noticed the color of our president's skin? Sandra Murray of Dubuque, Iowa, has.

“We’re going to need help from Facebook and from YouTube and from Twitter,” she said.

Yes, I am really looking forward to working for people who have those kinds of ideas