This is Just to Say
I have briefly shownthe ID cardsthat were inthe apartment
and whichyou were probablyhopingto keep out of live shots
Forgive methey were deliciousso newsworthyand so interesting
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 4 December 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link
who was it who bought the firearms? they said they were legally purchased by someone who wasn't the shooter.― akm, Friday, December 4, 2015 1:04 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― akm, Friday, December 4, 2015 1:04 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
shooter purchased the hand guns. they know who purchased the assault weapons and "want to question him/her," but they haven't said who this person is.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link
this is still so bizarre
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:38 (eight years ago) link
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Ben-Carson-says-California-shootings-end-refugee-6676371.php
Refugee debate is OVER
gun debate, eh we can't have that
― Οὖτις, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:43 (eight years ago) link
family attorney is saying they had no links to terrorism and that coworkers 'made fun of his beard'. this was just on cnn in an infographic though so I don't know if they are actually making this horribly weak ass defense.
― akm, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:43 (eight years ago) link
someone tell ben carson this woman wasn't a refugee
― akm, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:44 (eight years ago) link
Doesn't 'refugee' just mean 'somebody from a different country'? </bencarson>
― The Featureless Mash That Was Once My Face (Old Lunch), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link
actually it comes from the latin fugee, meaning overrated rap act
― Οὖτις, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:48 (eight years ago) link
ben carson: "you don't have to live like a refugee"
― akm, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:49 (eight years ago) link
"which I hear is quite nice, actually"
― Οὖτις, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:50 (eight years ago) link
"“There were a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not,” Mr. Chesley told reporters alongside family attorney Mohammad Abuershaid."
oh jesus
― akm, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
who is this chesley fool
― akm, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link
also I'm having a hard time buying that the mother lived in the house and didn't notice they had a bomb factory in there. this is all pretty weak sauce.
― akm, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:58 (eight years ago) link
a fucking sandy hook truther attorney
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 4 December 2015 23:14 (eight years ago) link
"the mother lived in the house"source?
― new noise, Friday, 4 December 2015 23:15 (eight years ago) link
she lived upstairs, they've said this in a few places, I'll try to find one.
here you go:
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/The-Latest-Relative-shooter-was-bad-person-6675213.php?cmpid=brknow
"Mohammad Abuershaid and David Chesley, who represent Syed Farook's family, say Farook's wife, Tashfeen Malik, wore a veil that covered her face and didn't drive. The couple opened fire on a holiday party of Farook's co-workers, killing 14 people.They say Farook's mother lived with the couple but she stayed upstairs and didn't notice they had stockpiled 12 pipe bombs and well over 4,500 rounds of ammunition."
― akm, Friday, 4 December 2015 23:17 (eight years ago) link
if my mother or mother in law lived with me she'd be so fucking nosey I'd be lucky to hide a sex toy, let alone 4,500 rounds of ammo in my APARTMENT
― akm, Friday, 4 December 2015 23:18 (eight years ago) link
huh "stayed" upstairs is a bit different than "lived" upstairs fwiw
― sleeve, Friday, 4 December 2015 23:18 (eight years ago) link
xp ok thanks hadn't seen that clearly cited before.
― new noise, Friday, 4 December 2015 23:21 (eight years ago) link
"shooter-was-bad-person"
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 4 December 2015 23:21 (eight years ago) link
― akm, Friday, December 4, 2015 10:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i lost my mind at this
what are the fucking odds of this
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 5 December 2015 01:54 (eight years ago) link
yeah the questions were drawn by this guy iirc
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XoGSf2vC6gE/mqdefault.jpg
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Saturday, 5 December 2015 02:04 (eight years ago) link
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, December 4, 2015 6:21 PM (3 hours ago)
lol
― k3vin k., Saturday, 5 December 2015 02:42 (eight years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/prayer-gun-control-mass-shooting-san-bernardino/418563/
probably one of the dumbest things i've ever read
― k3vin k., Saturday, 5 December 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
which part?
― akm, Saturday, 5 December 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
the gist of the piece is that it's wrong to criticize politicians for tweeting their meaningless "thoughts and prayers" because prayer used to be a major part of american life and can't we all just get along
― k3vin k., Saturday, 5 December 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link
Fuck public ostentatious shows of prayer as a substitute for actual reform.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 5 December 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
you can criticize politicians all you want for invoking prayer in these situations. they won't stop, because they know it reassures their constituents and there is no political cost for doing it. it only makes sense to mention it in contrast to their lack of any further, more effective actions. if you just criticize the invocation of prayer, you are automatically relegated to the status of a crank.
― Aimless, Saturday, 5 December 2015 20:16 (eight years ago) link
i'm fully aware that religious folk in the US are so sensitive that if you even remotely associate any type of criticism with the act of prayer they stare at you like you just took a shit in the baptismal font. it's a losing battle - basically to avoid whining from the religious right you just have to let them pray loudly and wildly and stay the fuck out of their way while they do it.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 5 December 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link
the new Butthurt Xtian film genre that has come out of it has been a non-stop source of lols, though, so there's that (still need to hatewatch God is Not Dead)
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 5 December 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link
Can also be posted in the "American Right Wing" thread: http://gawker.com/right-wing-gun-idolator-erick-erickson-flies-into-a-rag-1746415072
― Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Sunday, 6 December 2015 00:34 (eight years ago) link
hope the rag is ok
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 6 December 2015 00:48 (eight years ago) link
Yeah but there IS now a political cost, and there is now a whole cohort of voting age Americans who will shit in the baptismal font and instagram it for the lolz. The guns & god right is walking into an electoral band saw.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 December 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link
god i hope so
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 6 December 2015 01:09 (eight years ago) link
Obama making an address from the Oval Office tomorrow night
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 December 2015 01:27 (eight years ago) link
i'm not sure guns are really enough of an old vs young issue that we can be sure the problem is going to improve with time
― k3vin k., Sunday, 6 December 2015 01:36 (eight years ago) link
Farook was "fixated" on Israel and supported ISIS' ideology of establishing an Islamic caliphate, his father told an Italian newspaper.Before the shooting, the younger Farook had expressed some troubling beliefs, his father told La Stampa newspaper."He said he shared the ideology of (Abu Bakr) al-Baghdadi to create an Islamic state, and he was fixated on Israel," the elder Farook said, referring to the ISIS leader.The father, also named Syed Farook, recalled the first time he saw his son with a gun."I became angry. In 45 years in the United States, I yelled, 'I have never had a weapon.' He shrugged his shoulders and replied, 'Your loss,' " the father said.
Before the shooting, the younger Farook had expressed some troubling beliefs, his father told La Stampa newspaper.
"He said he shared the ideology of (Abu Bakr) al-Baghdadi to create an Islamic state, and he was fixated on Israel," the elder Farook said, referring to the ISIS leader.
The father, also named Syed Farook, recalled the first time he saw his son with a gun.
"I became angry. In 45 years in the United States, I yelled, 'I have never had a weapon.' He shrugged his shoulders and replied, 'Your loss,' " the father said.
― nomar, Monday, 7 December 2015 22:27 (eight years ago) link
Damn.
― how's life, Monday, 7 December 2015 22:27 (eight years ago) link
headlines were calling these two "terror couple" all morning which of course made me think "kill colonel". they've changed it to 'terror duo' which isn't as fun.
― akm, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 02:41 (eight years ago) link
whose headlines?
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 02:55 (eight years ago) link
cnn I think
― akm, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 06:26 (eight years ago) link
folie a terror deux
― Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 13:16 (eight years ago) link
nomar what's that quote from
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
The CNN story.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/07/us/san-bernardino-shooting/
Chesley told CNN Monday that the father was on medications and didn't recall making those comments to the Italian newspaper.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
their very bad attorney doing a very bad job of trying to backpedal so none of them are held accountable for not raising warning flags sooner.
― akm, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
Farook was "fixated" on Israel and supported ISIS' ideology of establishing an Islamic caliphate, his father told an Italian newspaper.
Thoughts? http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/195673/moderate-islams-real-litmus-test-israel
I've heard the argument made before that antisemitism is the gateway drug to radicalism since it presents a complete conspiracy theory into which one can buy. idk how common anti-Israel sentiment is in Muslim communities v. antisemitism in general v. the weird place where the two intersect but I do wonder if tolerance (and stoking) of that kind of hate is indivisible from more general manifestations against other groups. aka it's not a fire that can be contained.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
How, then, did Farook soothe his son when junior ranted about Israel?
“I told him he had to stay calm and be patient,” Farook, Sr. told his interviewer, “because in two years Israel will not exist any more. Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China and America don’t want Jews there any more. They are going to bring the Jews back to Ukraine. What is the point of fighting? We have already done it and we lost. Israel is not to be fought with weapons, but with politics. But he did not listen to me, he was obsessed.”
― hunangarage, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
But he did not listen to me
Listen to the voice of reason, son.
― Otago Imago (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
my brother and I (as well as a few other Jewish friends of ours) used to attend a local poker game at a bar that was organized by a non-observant, non-practicing Muslim gentleman who was very sweet until he drunk one night and started talking all kinds of horrible shit about Jews and Israel (and yes, about both - it was during chanukah last year and he was going on about how Jewish holidays are bullshit). me and my brother have gone back once or twice since but none of our other friends have. i don't mean to extrapolate this to every Muslim bc everyone is an individual but my impression is that antisemitism /and/ anti-Zionism are pretty prevalent and i'd love to hear that there's something being done to fight it (as opposed to apologetics about why it's natural + understandable). idk i was loathe to bring this up bc it feels a bit like hobbyhorsing but idk i think it's important and when Obama talks about Muslim communities fighting extremism that's the first thing I think of.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
idk why i mentioned that anecdote - i guess bc i was shocked that someone who didn't even really self-identify as a Muslim to the extent that he was willing to drink alcohol was still harboring hateful ideas about Jews and i guess i assumed then that probably a lot of Muslims feel that way and i hate generalizing like that but then i see polls + all kinds of numbers that show that yeah - lots of Muslims have a lot of v negative opinions.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:31 (eight years ago) link